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Transgender boy wins Texas girls wrestling title.
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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 8:58 AM EST
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Your thoughts.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 9:04 AM EST
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Bruce Jenner is all jacked up on Testosterone...of course he's gonna win...duh!
dstieger Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 9:28 AM EST
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Read one article and watched one news piece. I don't know a whole lot about it. What I do believe after learning just a little is.....that the kids are good....at least all that I heard/read about....the parents, however....they all suck


My only other thought has been that a wrestler of any sex/persuasion at any level should probably not be completing if taking hormones and/or steroids. I realize there are medical exemptions in the rules for this case, but ....why?
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#4 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 9:56 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Read one article and watched one news piece. I don't know a whole lot about it. What I do believe after learning just a little is.....that the kids good....at least all that I heard/read about....the parents, however....they all suck


My only other thought has been that a wrestler of any sex/persuasion at any level should probably not be completing if taking hormones and/or steroids. I realize there are medical exemptions in the rules for this case, but ....why?






Why do the parents suck? My first reactions (before actually finding out the real story) was..."Well no $hit....of course this kid is going beat girls. He's been taking testosterone and is jacked. He needs to be competing with the boys. Turns out...that is EXACTLY what he wanted to do but Texas wouldn't let him. So he beat the **** outta bunch of girls
bgz Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 10:17 AM EST
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I would argue that if you're all jacked up on hormones, you shouldn't be allowed to compete period.
gummy jones Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 10:32 AM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbCCYMGit94&t=10s
opelmanta1900 Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 10:38 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
Why do the parents suck? My first reactions (before actually finding out the real story) was..."Well no $hit....of course this kid is going beat girls. He's been taking testosterone and is jacked. He needs to be competing with the boys. Turns out...that is EXACTLY what he wanted to do but Texas wouldn't let him. So he beat the **** outta bunch of girls

I don't want my boy wrestling girls and I don't want my girl wrestling boys...

and as has been said, the kid is jacked up on performance enhancing drugs... they shouldn't even be allowed to compete...
Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 10:43 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Your thoughts.


They have girls playing boys football; so what's the difference?

Texas is going down hill pretty fast. Sarcasm
opelmanta1900 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 10:44 AM EST
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As long as they still don't let women vote or drive, I'm ok with that...
tonygraz Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 10:46 AM EST
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Can't believe TCBY hasn't been here yet.
Mr. Jones Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 10:48 AM EST
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I SAW a 2? Minute blurb on the TV news..
Local? Or NIGHTLY NATIONAL?

I Think it's BOGUS THAT A GUY WRESTLES
IN THE GIRLS LEAGUE....

THERE IS AN IMPORTANT
QUESTION ....

Did he get a B.O.N.E.R.?
jjanecka Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 10:51 AM EST
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Proof that men can do everything better than women...
tonygraz Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 11:22 AM EST
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Now that is a bit gay !
jjanecka Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 12:00 PM EST
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It's only gay if you take a shot in the mouth.
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#15 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 12:05 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I don't want my boy wrestling girls and I don't want my girl wrestling boys...








Hmmm...........let's think about this for a bit.......
JadeRose Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 12:09 PM EST
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If my kid is competing in an athletic competition, I want him or her to face an opponent that will challenge them to do their best to win.

End of story. And as far as "performance enhancing drugs".....that "drug" is the same "drug" that you and I have coursing through our veins every single day. Some more than others, some, like Drafter, less.
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#17 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 12:22 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
Hmmm...........let's think about this for a bit.......

yes, lets... I have little kids... I don't want boys in a position where they can fondle my daughters vagina... now, without sounding like a child molester, explain to me how my thinking needs to change...
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#18 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 12:24 PM EST
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CROS has a son?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 12:33 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
And as far as "performance enhancing drugs".....that "drug" is the same "drug" that you and I have coursing through our veins every single day. Some more than others, some, like Drafter, less.




yes, specifically women have less than men... so when a girl takes a bunch of it and then faces off against girls who don't have anywhere near as much, that drug has enhanced their performance... whether that was the intention or not, it's what happened... she had an unfair advantage...
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#20 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 12:36 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
If my kid is competing in an athletic competition, I want him or her to face an opponent that will challenge them to do their best to win.

End of story.


so if his best competition happens to be a 58 year old transient who specializes in the "butt drag" you're cool with that? cuz it's just a competition and stuff?
jjanecka Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 12:39 PM EST
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Why can't they just treat transgenderism like a sickness as they did 20 years ago?
Speyside Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 1:33 PM EST
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You mean electroshock therapy and such?
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#23 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 1:39 PM EST
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I was thinking more like drugs and therapy. I'm sure most of those people are on heavy meds to begin with, might need to switch them onto something new. Y'know there are people now who think they're squirlls, dogs, cats, and rabbits now trying to justify that in order to engage in beastiality. It's freaking disturbing.
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#24 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 1:49 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
I was thinking more like drugs and therapy. I'm sure most of those people are on heavy meds to begin with, might need to switch them onto something new. Y'know there are people now who think they're squirlls, dogs, cats, and rabbits now trying to justify that in order to engage in beastiality. It's freaking disturbing.

Fluoridation in the water supply is sapping our precious bodily fluids.
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#25 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 2:00 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
I was thinking more like drugs and therapy. I'm sure most of those people are on heavy meds to begin with, might need to switch them onto something new. Y'know there are people now who think they're squirlls, dogs, cats, and rabbits now trying to justify that in order to engage in beastiality. It's freaking disturbing.

Most disturbing of all is "Chicken Man" he's a fowl *****er.
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#26 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 2:12 PM EST
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Forgive me, but I thought most sport sanctioning bodies ban performance enhancing drugs.
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#27 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 2:19 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
yes, specifically women have less than men... so when a girl takes a bunch of it and then faces off against girls who don't have anywhere near as much, that drug has enhanced their performance... whether that was the intention or not, it's what happened... she had an unfair advantage...





You're right. That is why this young person with the mind and strength of a male that happens to have female genitalia should have been competing against males. and as far as changing your mind...why? You are entitled to your opinion.
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#28 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 2:22 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
so if his best competition happens to be a 58 year old transient who specializes in the "butt drag" you're cool with that? cuz it's just a competition and stuff?





Now c'mon Opel........don't make it stupid. We can have discourse without it going dumb. We're discussing a sanctioned high school athletic competiton.
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#29 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 2:28 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
Why can't they just treat transgenderism like a sickness as they did 20 years ago?


Why stop there? Why not just treat it like they did back in Eastern Europe during the '30's and '40's? horse

I wonder if this kid "checked the oil" on his/her competition? Sarcasm
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#30 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 2:32 PM EST
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Ok, let's do it your way... lets say it's your 14 year old daughter and she's competing against a guy named preston hill... he was a high school wrestler in our area who got in trouble for employing am oft-used wrestling move called the "butt check" which all high school wrestling coaches admit occasionally involves rectal penetration with the finger...

You're ok with your 14 year old daughter being anally penetrated by a boy her age?
dstieger Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 2:40 PM EST
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Probably no more or less ok than if it were done to a son....I think that'd be an 'offense' worthy of a zero tolerance stance....immediate one year suspension....if not arrest
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#32 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 2:52 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Probably no more or less ok than if it were done to a son....I think that'd be an 'offense' worthy of a zero tolerance stance....immediate one year suspension....if not arrest


this guy only got in trouble because he was known to brag about doing the butt check move as his signature move - also known as checking the oil - and intentionally ramming his finger up people's buttholes... but the move happens all the time in high school wrestling...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fresnobee.relaymedia.com/amp/news/local/education/article19508166.html
dstieger Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 2:56 PM EST
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not sure how anyone can, with a straight face, suggest it is anything other than assault....and sexual assault, at that...no question in my mind
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#34 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 3:01 PM EST
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Did you Google it? Cuuuuuz lots and lots of people are suggesting- seemingly with a straight face - that it's a legitimate wrestling move...
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#35 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 3:12 PM EST
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i read your link...nothing there convinced me otherwise....I'll admit that I always that there was bit of the queer gene in those guys who lived for wrestling....I have, over the years, gained a bit more respect for most of them....but this discussion has countered much of that....I don't care at all whether practitioners consider it 'legitimate'....it is not EVER ok for a minor (or adult, for that matter) to have someone's finger stuck up their ass without consent
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#36 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 3:14 PM EST
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let me clarify that....never ok for minor....consent or NOT...unless MD for valid medical reason
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#37 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 3:25 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
They have girls playing boys football; so what's the difference?

Texas is going down hill pretty fast. Sarcasm


For one thing football is not a "one on one" competition.
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#38 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 3:25 PM EST
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Dsteig - i'm with you 100%... but the wrestling community is not...

And this isn't new... I was in high school in the late 90's... one of my buddies was a promising wrestler... a couple months into the season someone "checked his oil" and when he complained the coaches told him that was part of the sport... and he wasn't a wrestler after that... we played tennis instead... oddly enough, a sport equally as gay as the butt check...
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#39 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 3:31 PM EST
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I'd love to see a celebrity PSA about this... maybe Gary busey...

"hey kids, if there's one thing i know it's that it's okay to be a little different... but you know what's not okay? Sticking your finger up someone's butt during a high school sanctioned wrestling match..."
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#40 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 3:36 PM EST
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Hang on...

So opel is now arguing it's more appropriate that people of the same sex stuck things in each other's buttholes than people of opposite sex?
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#41 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 3:43 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
I was thinking more like drugs and therapy. I'm sure most of those people are on heavy meds to begin with, might need to switch them onto something new. Y'know there are people now who think they're squirlls, dogs, cats, and rabbits now trying to justify that in order to engage in beastiality. It's freaking disturbing.


They do treat it with drugs and therapy. Estrogen and testosterone and counseling- just not the type you are probably referring to.
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JadeRose wrote:
If my kid is competing in an athletic competition, I want him or her to face an opponent that will challenge them to do their best to win.

End of story. And as far as "performance enhancing drugs".....that "drug" is the same "drug" that you and I have coursing through our veins every single day. Some more than others, some, like Drafter, less.


Our veins, sure... but the girl that was wrestling the other girls is at an unfair advantage since she's taking testosterone to become a boy.
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#43 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 4:48 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Our veins, sure... but the girl that was wrestling the other girls is at an unfair advantage since she's taking testosterone to become a boy.





I KNOW! That is my point! "She" should AND WANTED TO wrestle in the boys division. Opel keeps wanting to make it about buttholes...I'm just talking about high school athletics
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#44 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 4:49 PM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
For one thing football is not a "one on one" competition.




You never played football did you.
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#45 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 4:52 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Ok, let's do it your way... lets say it's your 14 year old daughter and she's competing against a guy named preston hill... he was a high school wrestler in our area who got in trouble for employing am oft-used wrestling move called the "butt check" which all high school wrestling coaches admit occasionally involves rectal penetration with the finger...

You're ok with your 14 year old daughter being anally penetrated by a boy her age?




I don't want Preston Hill's finger up anyone's butthiole unless they request he put it there. That's called assault or "alone time with Father Touchy after mass".
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#46 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 4:56 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Our veins, sure... but the girl that was wrestling the other girls is at an unfair advantage since she's taking testosterone to become a boy.


Yep, exactly the point. PEDs should not be allowed in high school competition.

When are these knuckleheads going to learn, there are differences in the sexes, and that's just the way it is.

You can't have natural boy trannies wrestling the girls either, because even if he's juiced up on estrogen, he's still got the natural strength of a dude... unfair advantage.

You can't have girls juiced up on testosterone for the same reason... unfair.

There's a reason why you can't be juiced up on hormones in professional and international competitions.

I mean, if you want to dump a bunch of hormones in your body, that's on you... but if you do it, you shouldn't be allowed to compete in organized athletic competitions.

I know liberals want to push their PC agenda into every facet of everyone's lives, but in this case, science wins. The only fair solution is to not let the hormone junkies compete.
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#47 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 4:59 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
You never played football did you.

I absolutely did. And you have one on one battles but it's a dynamic field. You encounter a variety of opponents in different positions etc. You may dominate the person over you but still suffer a big loss. I also ran track. No place to hide there. It's quantified. You run faster, jump higher or farther or throw something farther than your opponent to win your event. It's actually less subjective than wrestling.
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#48 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 5:00 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
I KNOW! That is my point! "She" should AND WANTED TO wrestle in the boys division. Opel keeps wanting to make it about buttholes...I'm just talking about high school athletics


I would argue "she" shouldn't be allowed to wrestle at all.
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#49 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 5:09 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
I don't want Preston Hill's finger up anyone's butthiole unless they request he put it there. That's called assault or "alone time with Father Touchy after mass".

#prestonhillsfingermatters
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#50 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2017, 5:12 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
I KNOW! That is my point! "She" should AND WANTED TO wrestle in the boys division. Opel keeps wanting to make it about buttholes...I'm just talking about high school athletics

I don't want anything to be about buttholes... but wrestling - at least to a degree - does involve some amount of butthole touching... I don't think anyone should be subjected to butthole touching without consent, but I especially think an underage girl should not be subjected to unconsented butthole touching by an underage boy... because #buttholetouchingmatters...
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