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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted:
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http://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-officials-trump-ordered-raid-in-yemen-that-killed-us-navy-seal-was-approved-without-sufficient-intelligence-2017-2

Oh... I mean yemmmmeennnnn!!
Do we need an investigation now to waste ridiculous amounts of taxpayer money and government time, or are you all good with this sort of stuff these days?
99cobra2881 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Troll

Stfu and go smoke a cigar!!!

http://nypost.com/2017/02/02/after-obama-waited-trump-quickly-approved-botched-navy-seal-mission/
Mr. Jones Offline
#3 Posted:
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Saw half of a short story on
"The YEMEN RAID" ^^^ as stated above...
NBC NIGHTLY NEWS

It sounded like a REAL CLUSTER ****...

FIRE FIGHT STARTS...they return FIRE...
Then the SEAL TEAM GETS CAUGHT IN A 360 circle FIRE FIGHT with the Yemenies on rooftops and SEALS on ground eating sand or behind wall's?...
Who planned that, nobody on the team on the high ground or roofs too???
WTF???
Somehow the seals got
"LOTS AND LOTS OF COMPUTERS AND CELL PHONES...SOOOOOO MANYYYYY
COMPUTERS....
SOOOO MANY CELL PHONES"...

Then everybody gets awake with copters making noise and an OSPREY MAKES A ROUGH LANDING
AND BREAKS.... sound familiar??? Carter and BIN LADEN OPERATIONS....BIG JET COMES IN
AND PINPOINT HITS A multi million OSPREY plane with a multi million laser bomb and BLOW it up..

KA-CHING ...KA-CHING...
$$$$$$

GOTTA LOVE AN ILL PLANNED 360 degree FIRE FIGHT PINNED IN THE DIRT..
OF YOU INVESTIGATE IT???
THEN charge THE DUMB AZZ WHO PLANNED IT.
victor809 Offline
#4 Posted:
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Cobra... maybe obama waited because he wanted more intelligence?

I guess that isn't something trump thinks he needs...
elRopo Offline
#5 Posted:
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War is dirty business. When good guys die it always sucks but, if you hesitate for too long you lose the opportunity to achieve maximum results, usually. Mission accomplished IMO.
Speyside Offline
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What mission was accomplished, finding a 10 year old video that has been on the net of how to make a bomb since 2007? Oh wait they pulled that after being embarrassed by it. Yeah, great mission, or are you referring to taking fire from 360 degrees and not having the high ground? That got 1 man killed and 3 others injured.
elRopo Offline
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Speyside wrote:
What mission was accomplished, finding a 10 year old video that has been on the net of how to make a bomb since 2007? Oh wait they pulled that after being embarrassed by it. Yeah, great mission, or are you referring to taking fire from 360 degrees and not having the high ground? That got 1 man killed and 3 others injured.

If you planned on crash landing you're doing it wrong. Bad chit happens, the OBL raid didn't go exactly as planned either. I think a good many camel jocks got to meet their 72 virgin goats before all the dust settled.
tonygraz Offline
#8 Posted:
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They didn't spare the women and children this time either.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted:
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They're brown... so we don't care.
elRopo Offline
#10 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
They didn't spare the women and children this time either.

Women and children died in the OBL raid as well. Wasn't much hand wringing over that one. You can't always expect perfection. If there were zero risks there would be zero rewards. Our guys will always give the best they've got but some days their best doesn't achieve the desired result. War isn't a video game.
Speyside Offline
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Nice deflection, talk about the details mentioned please.
delta1 Offline
#12 Posted:
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Can't believe I'm paraphrasing Don Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense under GWB, who along with his protege Cheney were instrumental in leading us to war in Afghanistan and Irag after 9/11.

"In any operation, you must be careful that you don't create more terrorists than you kill."

Reports are that many Yemeni civilians, including children, were killed. Naturally, the local Yemeni media won't say that the U.S. were targeting Al Queda.

It was reported that the risks listed by the military/intelligence planners were too high compared to the objectives sought (intel on Al Queda operations) for Obama to give the green light.
Supposedly, the UAE was a partner in the operation. Wonder if that was the source that tipped off Al Queda that the strike was coming. Also wonder if Flynn or Maddog pushed for this operation, hoping to give Trump a feather in his cap.

Will the GOP demand an investigation?
victor809 Offline
#13 Posted:
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Ahahahahahshshshahahshshshahahahahabahahahaha!

You must be new here.... ;)
elRopo Offline
#14 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Nice deflection, talk about the details mentioned please.

So, you're saying our guys intentionally killed women and children? I call BS on that! They use women and children as combatants and also as shields. How many do you think would have died in a middle attack? Its a part of war, of all casualties suffered during wars throughout history MOST have been civilians. We've gotten better but it will never be perfect.
ZRX1200 Offline
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It was also reported that women were firing as well....
delta1 Offline
#16 Posted:
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But in clandestine operations where we operate without permission or the cooperation of the sovereign government, we flout international law. Killing civilians just compounds the scrutiny, especially by our enemies in that region who use these failures to their advantage in convincing others that we are the terrorists. We lose our standing as a leading nation in the world that is lawful, just and moral. That has to be a primary consideration when we do these type of strikes.
elRopo Offline
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delta1 wrote:
But in clandestine operations where we operate without permission or the cooperation of the sovereign government, we flout international law. Killing civilians just compounds the scrutiny, especially by our enemies in that region who use these failures to their advantage in convincing others that we are the terrorists. We lose our standing as a leading nation in the world that is lawful, just and moral. That has to be a primary consideration when we do these type of strikes.

Like I said, nothing ventured, nothing gained. You can't have it both ways there will always be risk.
Speyside Offline
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Nice deflection again, go back and read what I said, right now you are terribly confused. My talking points were idiotic video, 360 degrees of fire, no high ground,1 man killed, and 3 men injured. I mentioned nothing about women and children. If I had it would been that they were enemy combatants.
elRopo Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
They didn't spare the women and children this time either.

Sorry, it was tony not you, my bad.
elRopo Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Nice deflection again, go back and read what I said, right now you are terribly confused. My talking points were idiotic video, 360 degrees of fire, no high ground,1 man killed, and 3 men injured. I mentioned nothing about women and children. If I had it would been that they were enemy combatants.

It was stated that they were tipped off about the coming raid in time to prepare an ambush.
victor809 Offline
#21 Posted:
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Trump prolly tweeted about it....
Speyside Offline
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Yes, I would agree bad shi+ happened. I do not agree that the mission was a success. Though I in no way would compare it to Benghazi. Showing the 10 year old video is a joke, though I really should not say joke, since an American died and 3 others were injured. But I think you get what I mean.
elRopo Offline
#23 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Yes, I would agree bad shi+ happened. I do not agree that the mission was a success. Though I in no way would compare it to Benghazi. Showing the 10 year old video is a joke, though I really should not say joke, since an American died and 3 others were injured. But I think you get what I mean.

Did not mean to imply it was a success, just that our guys accomplished their mission. It didn't end with the enemy standing on top of our chopper chanting and dragging our dead through the streets. Our guys performed heroically.
Speyside Offline
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That I agree with.
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted:
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I'm always amazed at the amount of intel you all have. Both sides sure seem to know how this went down.

I hear a bunch of crap from the crazy left wing media and the crazy right. Not sure I really know what happened. I wish I had your intel sources and pray you share them with the seals. They need your help.

Now if you excuse me I have some yellow cake to eat. A friend of a friend found it in Iraq and it is delicious.
TMCTLT Offline
#26 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Cobra... maybe obama waited because he wanted more intelligence?

I guess that isn't something trump thinks he needs...




NOTE



Obama and Intelligence should NEVER be used in the same sentence....mmmmkay???




Let's use this analogy......the good ole US decides it will use women and children as SHIELDS like these hate filled Mf's....you know to give the enemy " pause " before they routinely slaughter.....ANYONE think it will change their directive???? ANYONE??????

In my humble opinion....when the enemy sets the rules of engagement....one MUST be willing to play by THOSE RULES or get your ass handed to you.



TW said:


Now if you excuse me I have some yellow cake to eat. A friend of a friend found it in Iraq and it is delicious.

Bon Appetite
Mr. Jones Offline
#27 Posted:
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#25 TW

I used to have THE BEST INTELLIGENCE
IN THE WORLD....UNCLE BILL....

NOW??
Just what I see on the News...
( like I stated right in the beginning of post #2)

OF YOU WANT to watch a great "cake movie"....
GET:

"LAYER CAKE"

British Crime drama.
Daniel Craig before he became 007.
Mr. Jones Offline
#28 Posted:
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#3 not #2 ^^^^
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted:
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Just watched that movie recently jones. It's on encore.
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted:
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I could sure use some cake about now.. mom used to make a coffee cake that was really good... might have to give her a call.... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#31 Posted:
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Hey TW!

Fact 1) government posted stupid video.
Fact 2) 1 soldier died, 3 solders were injured.
Fact 3) 1 Osprey helicopter was destroyed.

Make sure your tinfoil hat doesn't fall off.

Are you desputing that women and children were killed? Or there was bad intelligence? Or they knew we were comming? Or they were surrounded? Or they had the low ground?

Is your fair beauty named Dolcinea?
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted:
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I don't know what really happened or why neither do you. You have limited facts as fed to you. People were killed, a coptah destroyed and film selectively released. You know what has been chosen for you to know. No more no less.

You have no idea what we (USA) knows or knew at the time. Seems like the foil is on the wrong head. Lol

Have we ever gotten a wrong picture of something that happened in war half way across the world before?

Do you really beleive you know what happened and why?
Speyside Offline
#33 Posted:
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Nice deflect, what I stated are facts, what I questioned are probably facts. Quit deflecting and answer the questions. I don't know why anything happened. I do know you bend facts to suit your purpose. But if you don't want to admit there are facts, or answer my questions so be it. I think you are acting the fool.
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted:
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I didn't deflect anything and accepted people were killed, a coptah destroyed and a fil released as facts.

I didn't bend any facts.

I just don't know what really happened. We may know more later or we may not. Seems reasonable to me.
elRopo Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Nice deflect, what I stated are facts, what I questioned are probably facts. Quit deflecting and answer the questions. I don't know why anything happened. I do know you bend facts to suit your purpose. But if you don't want to admit there are facts, or answer my questions so be it. I think you are acting the fool.

Funny thing about the haji's, if you want to know what happened just ask and they'll come right out and tell you. They're not good at spin.
elRopo Offline
#36 Posted:
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Just don't ask Baghdad Bob
teedubbya Offline
#37 Posted:
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Is that code for Kelly Ann "beavis" Conway?
Speyside Offline
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That's different than what you said in 25. I can accept that there is a lot we don't know. What I can't accept is your crap about most everyone else. There are some established facts. The Marie Antionette reference is uncalled for. If you want to talk trash back it up. Talk about the established facts and the presumptive facts.
teedubbya Offline
#39 Posted:
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I stand by everything I said in 25 and find nothing inconsistent in my following posts.

And no french folk were referenced in 25 unless they were in Iraq at the time.
tonygraz Offline
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It really appears that we need a full investigation so we can find out the truth.
Speyside Offline
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Eating cake was not a Marie Antionette reference about ignorance? My statement was 25 and 34 were quite different. You implied in 25 that most here knew no facts. I called you on it since there are known facts. In 34 you accepted some of the facts. You have still not spoke about some of the most verifiable facts. The stupid video, and the video showing they were surrounded and held the low ground.
teedubbya Offline
#42 Posted:
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Nope. No Marie antionette. You are simply mistaken. That's just a fact. I was referencing the certainty people had about yellow cake in Iraq. I even used Iraq in the statement. You took a little info and made your own facts. I'm not even sure how an eat it too reference would fit but that's irrelevant since it was nowhere in my mind while posting.

The fact people died and copter fried is basic. I never disputed that. Much past that is speculation based on little fact.

I stand by all.
delta1 Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
It really appears that we need a full investigation so we can find out the truth.


Of course we don't. Congress is too busy doing the important work that they were elected to do. Why waste time on ghost hunting?
Abrignac Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Eating cake was not a Marie Antionette reference about ignorance? My statement was 25 and 34 were quite different. You implied in 25 that most here knew no facts. I called you on it since there are known facts. In 34 you accepted some of the facts. You have still not spoke about some of the most verifiable facts. The stupid video, and the video showing they were surrounded and held the low ground.


Have you checked your feed bag lately? Seems like it's empty at the moment.
xibbumbero Offline
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99cobra2881 wrote:
Troll

Stfu and go smoke a cigar!!!

http://nypost.com/2017/02/02/after-obama-waited-trump-quickly-approved-botched-navy-seal-mission/


LMFAO,yeah,right. X Shame on you



Abrignac Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Nice deflection again, go back and read what I said, right now you are terribly confused. My talking points were idiotic video, 360 degrees of fire, no high ground,1 man killed, and 3 men injured. I mentioned nothing about women and children. If I had it would been that they were enemy combatants.


Speaking of deflection:

Quote:
The rest of the material seized in the raid will remain classified, officials said.


Perhaps it's you who is deflecting. Not to mention the fact that some apparently mid-upper level terrorists were also taken out. But, I guess you overlooked those parts since they doesn't fit into your narrative.
qmech Offline
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The raid was in planning before Trump. So everyone is to blame..🙈🙉🙊😀😀
Q
Speyside Offline
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If you don't like what I said fine. But as best I can tell what I have stated throughout is factual. Go back and read specifically what I stated. I did not talk about terrorists apperently taken out, I did not talk about classified materials. I have been talking about that I do not think the operation was a success. Also note, I did speak about there being no similarities to Benghazi.
Nicar Offline
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Were they looking for CROS?
Speyside Offline
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LMAO! Well played.
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