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Why does the Left Love Muslims?
Gene363 Offline
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Because it's politically incorrect to be against women's rights, gender/sexual orientation rights and anti Christianity. By defending muslims, who are clearly against these issues, they can hate by proxy.

Now, not all lefties feel this way, some are sincere, but they have become the convenient fools for those that do. In the end, if this support succeeds in getting muslims embedded in government and society, they will be rewarded in the worst way.
teedubbya Offline
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"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."
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"Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."


"Islam is a faith that brings comfort to people. It inspires them to lead lives based on honesty, and justice, and compassion."

"All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."
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"According to Muslim teachings, God first revealed His word in the Holy Qur'an to the prophet, Muhammad, during the month of Ramadan. That word has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science. All the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements."

"The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur'an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace."
dstieger Offline
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I think it originated with a simple misunderstanding. A few lefties thought that Trump wanted to ban inport of 'muslin'. Now, we all know full well that no self-respecting leftie, hippie, flightie, etc...would be caught dead without muslin shirts, skirts, etc. And domestic muslin just doesn't feel quite the same. So, of course! Who in their right mind would want muslin banned??????? Once they realized their mistake, it was just a little too late to just sheepishly admit it and 'move on'.
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"And I'm not a student of religion, but I don't find anything in what the principal teachings of Islam that put us in contradiction at all. In fact, the principles are the same as what—we have a diverse religious culture. But it's kindness, it's be good to your neighbor, it's love, and it's take care of children. It's all these things that—so there's no anti-Islam."
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teedubbya wrote:
"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."




You cannot.....NOT in a Million years prove what you've written here. Considering there ARE @ or over ONE BILLION people who practice it around the globe. This is nothing more than a " feel good statement @ best "

teedubbya Offline
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"And I think we've gone out of our way to make clear that our argument was not with the people of Iraq but with this dictator, you see. And I think that's helped a little bit. We've tried to be sensitive to the culture, tried to understand and empathize with the religious persuasions of these people. But there's nothing in Islam that condones the kind of brutality that we've seen from Saddam Hussein. So when he was posturing as a man of religion, it caused unease even from some of his supporters. And I think that's a reason that the Arab world hasn't exploded."
bgz Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Because it's politically incorrect to be against women's rights, gender/sexual orientation rights and anti Christianity. By defending muslims, who are clearly against these issues, they can hate by proxy.

Now, not all lefties feel this way, some are sincere, but they have become the convenient fools for those that do. In the end, if this support success in getting muslims embedded in government and society, they will be rewarded in the worst way.


Don't forget about misogyny.

Left hates misogynists, yet muslims are the most misogynistic group of people in the world.

I know TW doubts this, but most of the muslims in this world practice misogyny through clitoral mutilation, public stonings and only count women's worth as half that of a man.

Ya, I've often wondered this same thing.
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"As the guardians of Mecca and the protectors of your faith, you rightfully exert a strong moral influence in the world of Islam, and the people of the United States are proud of their leadership role among the democratic nations."

"On the occasion of the special feast days concluding Ramadan, Mrs. and I wish to extend our warmest greetings to all Americans of the Islamic Faith. For nearly two hundred years, our nation has derived its strength from the diversity of its people and of their beliefs. That strength has been greatly enhanced by your own religious heritage. I am sure that the completion of your month of fasting will bring home to you more than ever the importance of religious responsibilities in daily life. Fellow citizens of all faiths join you in this sentiment. We will be with you in spirit as you reaffirm your commitment to principles which exalt man's existence. May your celebration and the special message of these holy days fortify and uplift each of you and add to our vitality as a nation."

"The countries which have sponsored and built this Islamic Center have for centuries contributed to the building of civilization. With their traditions of learning and rich culture, the countries of Islam have added much to the advancement of mankind. [...] Civilization owes to the Islamic world some of its most important tools and achievements. From fundamental discoveries in medicine to the highest planes of astronomy, the Muslim genius has added much to the culture of all peoples. That genius has been a wellspring of science, commerce and the arts, and has provided for all of us many lessons in courage and in hospitality."
teedubbya Offline
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TCBY notice the quotes, I didn't write it
teedubbya Offline
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"And I should like to assure you, my Islamic friends, that under the American Constitution, under American tradition, and in American hearts, this Center, this place of worship, is just as welcome as could be a similar edifice of any other religion. Indeed, America would fight with her whole strength for your right to have here your own church and worship according to your own conscience. This concept is indeed a part of America, and without that concept we would be something else than what we are. [...] As I stand beneath these graceful arches, surrounded on every side by friends from far and near, I am convinced that our common goals are both right and promising. Faithful to the demands of justice and of brotherhood, each working according to the lights of his own conscience, our world must advance along the paths of peace."
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teedubbya wrote:
TCBY notice the quotes, I didn't write it



No but your trying to convince others here by repeating it......Timmy

Seems we have us a new Muslim " pitch man " d'oh!
teedubbya Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
No but your trying to convince others here by repeating it......Timmy



I'm just repeating quotes from various Presidents. I'm skipping the democrats though. I doubt Islam has changed. I think our politics have. Your issue seemes to be with every republican President (pitchman) since, and including, Ike.
victor809 Offline
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They were all RINOs... all of them except trump.
teedubbya Offline
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I'm sorry.
delta1 Offline
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GWB was NOT a Muslim lover!!! He wanted to kill them all after 9/11, right?
DrafterX Offline
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just the bad ones... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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I think Obama was a self righteous POS and we are at war with radical Islam. I sort of get why he didn't want to say that but it's too ivory towerish to me. We are at war with radical Islam. We are not at war with Islam. The terrorists want us to be at war with Islam but we are not. The only way they can win is if we choose to do so.

It's in their name. Terror. They are outgunned so the must scare us in to action. It's their only chance.

I have no issue with trumps use of radical islamic terrorists or his desire to exterminate them.
teedubbya Offline
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Unfortunately fear drives many people to think things they normally wouldn't. Terrorists know this.
delta1 Offline
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...so.... there are some good ones?

I can't believe GWB said any of those quotes above...
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teedubbya wrote:
Unfortunately fear drives many people to think things they normally wouldn't. Terrorists know this.



well.. how come you know this then..?? Think
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delta1 wrote:
...so.... there are some good ones?

I can't believe GWB said any of those quotes above...



I think if he hated all them he would have rounded them up like we did the Japs.. Mellow
bgz Offline
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Well, if you believe your friends are so peaceful, ask them the following:

Would you prefer to be governed by sharia law or US laws?

What do you think is an appropriate consequence for apostasy for former muslims?

What do you think the appropriate consequence is for muslim women who are unfaithful to their husbands?

Can peace be obtained on Earth while non-muslims still exist on it?


If they give you a nice happy pc answer to any of them, they are either lying or they are not true muslims.

True muslims are extremists by definition.

Peaceful my azz, they can't even go a decade without going to war with each other, how are they supposed to assimilate into modern civilization.

The only thing stopping them from out-populating the rest of the world is they are in perpetual war with each other, they breed like rabbits otherwise.
delta1 Offline
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I still am holding out hope for a reasoned and rational Trump, even though he keeps making outrageous statements to ratchet up the fear among Americans. He says we are being overrun by illegals and muslims/would be terrorists, so we have to put a stop to admitting refugees. The evidence is not convincing so far.

He could get better results of staunching the flow of refugees by telling Putin, his buddy, to knock off helping Assad to stay in power in Syria. Assad's fight against the anti-Assad Syrian rebels to stay in power is the primary cause of the world's refugee crisis, draining the country of half its population: more than 11 million people have fled.

Trump's muslim ban and other rhetoric makes it seem like we are getting more than our share of the refugees...not true...some of the poorest nations in the Middle East have absorbed millions of people each, including Turkey (2.8 M) Lebanon (1.2M) and Jordan (0.7M). In 2016, we admitted about 85,000 refugees, a miniscule number compared to other countries, most from the Congo and about 12K from Syria...and we are the richest nation in the world....by far...Trump is using alternative facts when he says this country is falling apart...
teedubbya Offline
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BGZ we just disagree. I've had those conversations.

MACS Offline
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Well, immigration without assimilation is actually an invasion, isn't it?

Press 1 for English. Presione 2 para el español.
bgz Offline
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Well, they are core tenets of the faith, that's why I bring them up.
elRopo Offline
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Time to hang the No Vacancy sign. We're full to capacity.
delta1 Offline
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In 2010, there were 2.2 billion Christians in the world and 1.6 billion Muslims...if we kill them all, that would be about 4 times the total number of people killed in all the wars in recorded history.

Might be easier to find a way to live in peace...
MACS Offline
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I'm all for living in peace, but perhaps the adage "good fences make for good neighbors" would help with peaceful relations?
teedubbya Offline
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Macs they have assimilated and are devout they just disagree with the assessment of their region by some in here..... but if doing so brings accusation of lying then it's not a conversation.

Meh
bgz Offline
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I'll just leave this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU

Around the 4:10 mark... I rest my case.
elRopo Offline
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delta1 wrote:
In 2010, there were 2.2 billion Christians in the world and 1.6 billion Muslims...if we kill them all, that would be about 4 times the total number of people killed in all the wars in recorded history.

Might be easier to find a way to live in peace...

You're right we can't kill them that would be uncivilised but, we can put a stop to the invasion. There is no constitutional right to immigrate to the U.S.
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The Left doesn't HATE Muslims. It's as simple as that for me.
SMOKEYOU Offline
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Brute force means you will need alot of grease. Where do you think the grease comez from?
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Speyside wrote:
The Left doesn't HATE Muslims. It's as simple as that for me.


And the far right and the deplorable do.
teedubbya Offline
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Folks really want to beleive radical Islam is Islam. I get it.
Speyside Offline
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Tony, that may be true, but this is America, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and such. My point was not to denigrate anyone. Rather, it was to express that a different point of view exists. One of the things I enjoy here is there are different points of view than mine. I think about them and often find I have learned something. Though that usually does not mean I have changed my point of view.
delta1 Offline
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yah...we're all just sharpening our points (spears) here...doesn't look like any minds being changed...
teedubbya Offline
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Yup. The other side is lying and I know more about them than they do.
frankj1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
just the bad ones... Mellow

did you mean just the bedouins?



HA!
teedubbya Offline
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I remember my great uncle hating japs because they couldn't be trusted, lied, were heathens and would just as soon torture or kill you as look at you. Sure some seemed nice but don't get too comfortable.

War has an interesting effect on people.

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teedubbya wrote:
I remember my great uncle hating japs because they couldn't be trusted, lied, were heathens and would just as soon torture or kill you as look at you. Sure some seemed nice but don't get too comfortable.

War has an interesting effect on people.



That might have been a leftover from the way Japan treated prisoners and occupied peoples in WWII. They considered us roundeyes as savages back then, some in Japan hang on to that notion today.

I used to work with a guy from Montana, he married a Japanese girl while stationed Japan. His Mother disowned him, it was really shocking to hear something like like, I cannot imagine his feelings. On the bright side, I was there when my Stepfather met the parents of his daughter's husband. My Stepfather was a marine the Pacific during WWII. His daughter was married to guy from Japan. His Father was also in the Army in WWII, in the Pacific, on some of the same islands, but in the Japanese Army. They all got along just fine. The son took great care of his wife until she passed of type 1 diabetics. She was a pistole in the best way, may she rest in peace.
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https://www.facebook.com/ILEARNEDALOTDOTCOM/videos/1085869904893104/



A good listen
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(CNN)The congregation of the Victoria Islamic Center in Texas was devastated. Its mosque was destroyed over the weekend in a fire, the cause of which is unknown.

Then an act of kindness revived their spirits -- the leaders of the local Jewish congregation gave them the keys to their synagogue so they could continue to worship.
The leader of the mosque said he wasn't surprised by the gesture.
"I never doubted the support that we were going to get" after the fire, Dr. Shahid Hashmi, a surgeon and president of Victoria Islamic Center, told CNN. "We've always had a good relationship with the community here."
Hashmi said Dr. Gary Branfman -- a member of Temple B'nai Israel in Victoria, as well as a fellow surgeon and friend -- just came by his house and gave him the keys.
Support from around the world
And that wasn't the only offer of a temporary worship space that was extended. Hashmi said three local churches said his congregation could use their buildings. Also offered up was an empty office building, which the congregation used for three days before moving into a mobile home on the mosque property, Hashmi said.
"It's a beautiful community," he said.
Though Hashmi always knew his own east Texas community would support the mosque, he was stunned by the outpouring of support from people outside Victoria.
So far, a GoFundMe page set up to help raise money for the mosque's reconstruction has taken in more than $1 million.
That's on top of other donations the congregation has received from people in 90 different countries.
"We were surprised at the donations from around the world," Hashmi told CNN.
'Humanity at its best'
The Muslim community in Victoria dates back decades, Hashmi said, but the mosque was just 16 years old. Thanks to all of the financial contributions, he expects they'll be able to rebuild it in less than a year.
Hashmi said the congregants at the mosque are still in shock over the fire. Officials with the Texas State Fire Marshal's Office say no cause has been determined yet, and it may be weeks or months before can they figure out what happened, including whether the fire was deliberately set.
But the love that has grown from tragedy is making all the difference.
"It's given us a sense of hope," Omar Rachid, a member of the Muslim congregation, told CNN. "It's humanity at its best."
CNN's Jamiel Lynch contributed to this story.
frankj1 Offline
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#46

that was mighty Christian of those Jews!
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I don't like this thread.

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Why would anyone support a group of people that want to kill americans and chop our heads off ? The left are a bunch of insane brainwshed people they dont even know what they are protesting. Theres videos of US military personal saying that if they left their bases and walked around the countries that trump banned they will capture them torture and kill them,
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acitalianman13 wrote:
Why would anyone support a group of people that want to kill americans and chop our heads off ? The left are a bunch of insane brainwshed people they dont even know what they are protesting. Theres videos of US military personal saying that if they left their bases and walked around the countries that trump banned they will capture them torture and kill them,

how have I missed this in the lame stream media?
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