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She has the power....grin and bear it.........listen, nod your head a cpl of times and when she is done, walk away in peace and you will get some sugar in your coffee tonight.

It's not the people I dislike, it's the ideology.

sympathies, bgz, I don't recommend battles with your wife...

I've known many muslims, mostly while working at a community college district in SoCal. Several of them were asked to help the FBI after the 9/11 attacks and gladly did so. They are patriotic Americans who detest Islamic terrorists.

I had many Japanese friends when I grew up, and most of their parents survived the internment camps, but came out without their property or businesses.

Cautionary tales...

If they can put the laws of the United States above the laws of the quran even if their population percentage was above 40%, then I can sympathize.

However, history shows that once they start gaining numbers (regardless of if they are "moderate" or not), they start pushing sharia law, which is major threat to advanced civilization.

I'm not afraid of the short game, it's the long game I'm afraid of (my childrens' children and beyond).

radical Islam - agreed.

Islam not so much. The folks I am talking about are devout Muslims (although the experts in here who understand Islam better than Muslims would disagree). The whole reason they are part of our interfaith group is because of their practice of Islam and their desire to educate us and learn from us about our religion. Educating and understanding each other are good things. I really wish some in here could engage in something similar.

I think it was the day of the attacks, and the average person didn't know the full story of what/who was behind the attacks. Some of us were sitting around the TV a few hours after the towers fell, when the broadcasters starting saying the attacks may have been done by Middle Eastern terrorists. One of the instructors said she spoke with her Muslim colleague earlier that morning, about an hour after the attacks. He was hurriedly gathering up stuff in the office they shared, on his way out, and told her he was asked to fly to Washington DC, but didn't say why, and he left immediately. She said now she knew. I sensed after talking with him years later, (he couldn't say what he specifically did, but said he wished he could've done more), that he would've volunteered without being asked had he known, but the average civilian didn't know...

I am sure many Muslim Americans volunteered to help. Soon after the attacks, the media reported that the FBI and intelligence agencies needed Arab language specialists to help sift through tons of data. Most, if not all, of our Arab speaking professors were gone for months after the attacks...not in hiding or helping the terrorists...but were helping to hunt down the terrorists...

I am by no means saying I am an expert in my understanding of Islam, but I am not ignorant of the basic principles of it either. I have not read it all, but I have read significantly more of it than most taking my position I'm sure.

In any case, my basic understanding is that for one to believe in Islam, they must believe that the quran is the literal word of God... as the quran itself claims to be the literal word of god.

So if any one part of it is invalid, the whole thing is invalid, so in order for one to be a true Muslim, by definition, one must believe every single word of the quran, thus making all true believers "radical".

There are some caveats in there which says that Muslims should blend in with their host environment until they are of the majority, then they must move to convert their host to sharia law.

This is not an opinion, this is real. So if anyone were to tell me they were a true believe with a smile on their face and claim to be my friend (to truly be a friend of mine is against their principles, they are not allowed to be my friend according to the quran)... I would have to take them at their word and consider them to be radical.

It's a catch 22, they are instructed to deceive the host population until they become the majority.

Basically, just read the first couple books of the quran, you'll understand. I'm totally willing to engage in dialog about religious topics as you know, but unfortunately I can't really share my beliefs, because I have no fking idea what happens to you when you die, and my only one belief is that no one else does either...

But I'm open to debate it ;)

They're doing jobs Americans won't do, like making pez dispensers.

http://247newsmedia.com/breaking-muslim-beheads-woman-oklahoma-video/

Haters gonna hate.


http://americanmilitarynews.com/2017/02/u-s-al-qaeda-raid-in-yemen-turns-up-treasure-trove-of-intelligence/

don't get that part, but I am glad the raid was fairly successful and sad there was a death on out side. It sounds like they may have been tipped off. That needs to be figured out and fixed too.

Hillary is still using her server..??

under this new travel ban my college soccer team would have been either decimated or they could never visit their family LOL

Missouri ain't Oklahoma.

Everyone knows white people in Oklahoma are lazy and eat too much.

You know that Islam encourages lying to deceive non-believers, right Tim?

You may want to look up taqiyya. They are told to purposely deceive us to gain our trust in order to defeat us. If you truly want to be informed, study the "religion".

They got to ya didn't they man..??

Sigh all you want... I saw what you wrote here:



Really? Each others' holy books? Jews, protestants, and catholics all have the same book. It's called the Bible... the first 5 books of which are the Jewish Torah. So you read from the koran? And you didn't read about being deceitful to non-believers?

Keep reading.

That's assuming you can get past the rules for the differences in punishment for adultery from a Muslim women vs a slave woman.

Ironically, the Muslim women adulteresses ultimately end up dead, where the slave women just end up with lashes.

It's very easy to kill a woman in Sharia law (even without the honor killing thing).

All a man has to do to kill a woman, is claim he witnessed her banging a stranger, and bam... woman dead.

See, in the sharia courts, a woman's testimony only counts as half that of a mans, so if it's a he said she said scenario... she's dead.

Macs I didn't list every group represented and don't you think being part of the group I'm fairly familiar with what all of the books are. They all differ in someways

We have spoken about the very topic that some people think they're just lying because it's an insidious religion

You are right though if you're convinced that everything they say is a lie if it doesn't line up with what you think but there is no sense in getting to know them better and finding out for yourself

My interfaith group would do you no good but it is the pastors and rabbis and Kris and congregation that are actually attending it and having the discussion

Will just have to disagree

Delta my understanding is it's in times of persecution but their interpretation probably isn't as accurate as ours in here and they lie and stuff

Honestly if you think you know more about the religions than they do or they lie about everything you disagree with there really is nothing to discuss

The priest rabbis ministers etc. in my group simply disagree with you and so do I.

He'd just lie.

I've stated before the agnostics are 100% correct. We cannot know for certain until we die.

I can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God... for any religion.

My thoughts on Islam are based in reading, and what I see. I do not claim to know the religion better than a muslim, but I know what I read in their holy book, and I know what I saw in Iraq, and I know that the vast majority of terrorist attacks throughout the world in the last 20 years have been perpetrated by muslims.

"The political system known as Islam."

smh

And probably also a Freemason