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Trump wants investigation into voter fraud.
Speyside Offline
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So this is a presidential priority, that certainly says a lot.
DrafterX Offline
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I don't think it's a priority.. certainly not getting in the way of signing Executive Orders that needed to be signed... Plus he's just following thru with campaign promises and stuff... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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The marketer in chief, president honey boo boo is trying to be king and ruling by fiat (executive orders), which was bad when Obammy did it but ok now.

By the way he will fix the election issues. It was his first priority (Texas) on inauguration day.
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Didn't he and his lawyers say there was no voter fraud, and blamed Hillary when the Green Party candidate requested a recount in some tight/disputed states?
teedubbya Offline
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yes
ZRX1200 Offline
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And there was more votes than voters in some precincts.
DrafterX Offline
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Think
delta1 Offline
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oh...wait...that was before all the popular votes were counted and the "final" tally showed him 2.965 M behind.

At some level, it sticks in his craw that someone can lose the popular vote by that much and still win the election by the electoral college votes. He can't process being the loser of anything...he keeps bringing it up when it would serve him to let it go...
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If president Kim Jong Orange finds millions of illegal votes, doesn't that invalidate his election?

I mean... voting is anonymous. We don't know what way all these illegals voted. So milions... that may mean hillary would have won by 5 or 6 million votes...

But I'm sure he'll let us know what way these.anonymous votes went.
teedubbya Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
And there was more votes than voters in some precincts.



hopefully we will get to see that data
delta1 Offline
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There were reports of that. It was localized in Detroit and attributed to poll worker errors rather than fraud. Snopes showed a sample of precincts, and only small discrepancies were found.

http://www.snopes.com/more-votes-than-voters-in-detroit/
teedubbya Offline
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I'm looking for 3-5 MIL
delta1 Offline
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If you find it, Thumpher will make you rich!
teedubbya Offline
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its right next to a box of kenyan birth certificates and yellow cake
DrafterX Offline
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I could sure use a big piece of yellow cake right now... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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true true
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delta1 wrote:
oh...wait...that was before all the popular votes were counted and the "final" tally showed him 2.965 M behind.

At some level, it sticks in his craw that someone can lose the popular vote by that much and still win the election by the electoral college votes. He can't process being the loser of anything...he keeps bringing it up when it would serve him to let it go...


right on
ZRX1200 Offline
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#8 says someone who LIVES in the state that was the cause for those numbers. Yes let's have one crazy state decide the election, there's a reason we do not have a direct democracy, but a representative republic.
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Think
and why was it again it would be unconstitutional to ask someone for an ID to vote..?? Think
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ZRX1200 wrote:
#8 says someone who LIVES in the state that was the cause for those numbers. Yes let's have one crazy state decide the election, there's a reason we do not have a direct democracy, but a representative republic.


We don't even have 3 million illegals in CA. Latest available numbers, in 2015, show about 2.5 million...and to bus in 500,000 would've really been obvious...
ZRX1200 Offline
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I said NOTHING about illegal votes.
delta1 Offline
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Trump did. It is his basis for the 3 million difference...
ZRX1200 Offline
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Context dude.....I'm having a hard time talking with you today!!!
delta1 Offline
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Sorry Brother, since Trump won the election...I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so...
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delta1 wrote:
Sorry Brother, since Trump won the election...I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so...

EXCELLENT!
tonygraz Offline
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I hear Trump is going to send the same crew to check out the votes that looked into Obama's birthplace. Maybe he will say it wasn't a problem in 8 years. It would be best if we had an election redo.
teedubbya Offline
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Frank is Mr Burns?

Frank Burns?

I shoulda known.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Frank isn't that old, he just looks like it.

Al, I was just talking about the popular vote total period and the amount of total votes California added to that difference.

So Obama's justice dept. convicted NOBODY in voter fraud....right?
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I dunno. I've not seen any compelling evidence of any large scale fraud. It's hard to feel outrage.
And trump won. Imagine if he hadn't.
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Frank Burns was from M*A*S*H...no?
teedubbya Offline
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Yes ferrit face
frankj1 Offline
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you're a bad mom.
I wanna live with dad.
teedubbya Offline
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No
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I'll be good
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Frank isn't that old, he just looks like it.

Al, I was just talking about the popular vote total period and the amount of total votes California added to that difference.

So Obama's justice dept. convicted NOBODY in voter fraud....right?



Don't know...and you're probably close. But there have been cases of people convicted of voter fraud in their states, although not many.

In contrast, the DOJ under Bush, who made it a priority to investigate and convict perpetrators of voter fraud, didn't have great success either. After 5 years of sustained effort, and several controversies over heavy-handedness by USAG's in many states, and some firings of AG's that didn't produce any results, there was a total of 86 convictions. Not the huge numbers of fraud cases hoped for to justify the wave of voter suppression laws being prepared.

For our democracy that we hold as the example to the rest of the world, what do we value more? Denying hundreds of thousands their franchise rights using voter suppression laws written specifically with that intent? Or finding and jailing a few hundred people who vote illegally?
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red herring issue. never been a factor, never been substantiated, time to move on from such nonsense.
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delta1 wrote:
Don't know...and you're probably close. But there have been cases of people convicted of voter fraud in their states, although not many.

In contrast, the DOJ under Bush, who made it a priority to investigate and convict perpetrators of voter fraud, didn't have great success either. After 5 years of sustained effort, and several controversies over heavy-handedness by USAG's in many states, and some firings of AG's that didn't produce any results, there was a total of 86 convictions. Not the huge numbers of fraud cases hoped for to justify the wave of voter suppression laws being prepared.

For our democracy that we hold as the example to the rest of the world, what do we value more? Denying hundreds of thousands their franchise rights using voter suppression laws written specifically with that intent? Or finding and jailing a few hundred people who vote illegally?



Can you jail a dead voter?
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delta1 wrote:
Don't know...and you're probably close. But there have been cases of people convicted of voter fraud in their states, although not many.

In contrast, the DOJ under Bush, who made it a priority to investigate and convict perpetrators of voter fraud, didn't have great success either. After 5 years of sustained effort, and several controversies over heavy-handedness by USAG's in many states, and some firings of AG's that didn't produce any results, there was a total of 86 convictions. Not the huge numbers of fraud cases hoped for to justify the wave of voter suppression laws being prepared.

For our democracy that we hold as the example to the rest of the world, what do we value more? Denying hundreds of thousands their franchise rights using voter suppression laws written specifically with that intent? Or finding and jailing a few hundred people who vote illegally?


What are these laws you speak of?
teedubbya Offline
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Courts have already ruled that way on most of the Texas law. Thankfully the Feds will likely stop persuing the remainder.

The court was prolly wrong and stuff though.
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im sure there is some voter fraud

how much and what affect, if any, it had on the election?

im not sure
teedubbya Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
im sure there is some voter fraud

how much and what affect, if any, it had on the election?

im not sure



Of course there is and we should try to stop it. It's not wide scale though which has been proven time and time again. Finding a turtle that voted in baton rouge does not prove wide scale fraud yet needs to be addressed. it need not be one or the other.


But if you set up something as a huge issue that time and time again is proven as not true, then continue to propose solutions to the non-existent problem it is fair to question the real intent and agenda of those pushing it. It is also fair to say that is not necessarily the intent and agenda of EVERYONE pushing it.

The courts decided on the effect of the TX laws and were heading towards deciding on the intent. That part is likely dead because control over the prosecutors changed.

I know most in here disagree but I do believe there is an effort to suppress voting by people not inclined to vote for a particular party. Just like I believe district boundaries are drawn to benefit certain parties rather than just laying them out and letting what happens happen. Politics is like water and is insidious. I guess I am a cynic.


I get frustrated with the game though. We all know better on some of the things we say.
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i have to show an id to vote in primary and national elections where i live
im not sure why some consider it racist as i live in a primarily white district
maybe some people think black folks are too stupid to get an id?
if anything, i think calling voter id laws racist is racist in itself
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I really rake seriously people who want ID for everything in life except voting.....and saying you're for workers rights but not verification. It's epic.

Fraud does happen and saying it doesn't is dumb IMO. It is widespread here in the northwest.
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Of course there is (fraud) and we should try to stop it. It's not wide scale though which has been proven time and time again. If there is proof to the contrary then it should be part of a legitimate discussion.



Gummy I've not read the TX decision just the news accounts of it which I do not trust. When I have time I will. I am interested in the courts rationale. To get too entrenched in simplicity can make you miss the forest for the tree at times.
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A lot of inner city people don't drive and don't have enough money to go on vacations requiring a passport. ID's are a good requirement to deter them from voting.
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So say this slowly.....

"ID SHOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO PRACTICE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS"

Say it a few time please.
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"ID SHOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO PRACTICE YOURS AND SOMEBODY ELSE'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS"

"ID SHOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO PRACTICE YOURS AND SOMEBODY ELSE'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS"

I dunno man...Think
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tonygraz wrote:
A lot of inner city people don't drive and don't have enough money to go on vacations requiring a passport. ID's are a good requirement to deter them from voting.


people are able to sign up for and collect food stamps, medicaid, disability, etc but cant get an id

interesting
ZRX1200 Offline
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Yes, there only lazy where it helps one party garner fraudulent votes.
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teedubbya wrote:
Of course there is (fraud) and we should try to stop it. It's not wide scale though which has been proven time and time again. If there is proof to the contrary then it should be part of a legitimate discussion.


i, for one, am interested in the "proof"

because it depends on who you hear talking about it and what their agenda is

if some person supposedly has a list of millions of names that voted but dont exist (or so i read) i think i would be interested in seeing it as well
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