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Trumps gag order for EPA and USDA.
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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:03 PM EST
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So tell me, how is this making America great? As long as your telling me that maybe you could also mention how this follows our right to freedom of speech.
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:10 PM EST
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America wants to be Thumped down. We don't care about science, facts or anything that detracts from having a good job with benefits. We don't believe, or care, that our work can make life for our kids or our kids' kids miserable. We don't care that there are ways to create good jobs and make our country/world safer.
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:11 PM EST
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I don't guess I've heard about this.... He's he reversing Michelle Obama's school nutrition facts or somethin..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:14 PM EST
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It's not just those agencies and watch for disappearing data.
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:29 PM EST
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LMAO
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:44 PM EST
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15906G?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
There's the disappearing data
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:48 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
LMAO


Betcha won't be laughing when you have to move your van farther away from the river...
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:49 PM EST
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Kinda like Obama removing the Threat Level Alert system so everyone would think we were safe... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:50 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Kinda like Obama removing the Threat Level Alert system so everyone would think we were safe... Mellow



No not at all. Raw data sets used for research. Not just EPA.
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:51 PM EST
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well, I used to use that system to determine what I should carry that day... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:56 PM EST
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do you all work for companies that are cool with you updating the public on company dealings via your social media accounts? typical liberal fear mongering...


"USDA officials said that after the email was sent, acting USDA Deputy Secretary Michael L. Young sent out a three-page memo to USDA agency department heads and other key agency officials outlining the interim procedures staff should follow.

A copy of the interim procedures memo, dated Jan. 23 and seen by Reuters, shows many of the steps reflect either the same or similar measures taken by the previous administration. Reuters also saw a memo, dated Jan. 22, 2009, that was sent to agency officials by former Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack.

The 2017 memo, however, differs in two main areas.

It centralizes the agency’s media inquiries and social media presence through the Office of the Secretary. As part of that, the memo asks USDA agencies to “review their websites, blog posts and other social media and, consistent with direction you will receive from the Office of Communication, remove references to policy priorities and initiatives of the previous Administration.”

It also rescinds the ability of USDA agencies to close an office or notify local delegations of office closures."
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 1:57 PM EST
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I don't have an issue with controlling company social media accounts at all.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 2:00 PM EST
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Liberal fear-mongering headlines...


Trump Just Ordered Government Scientists to Hide Facts From the Public

USDA Ordered to Stop Talking to Public

Trump Administration Restricts News from Federal Scientists at USDA, EPA

Information lockdown hits Trump’s federal agencies
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 2:01 PM EST
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I'm not going by headlines
opelmanta1900 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 2:02 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't have an issue with controlling company social media accounts at all.




well america is a big ass company, and the company president just told his employees to stop spreading company news on social media... what's the problem?
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 2:02 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
well america is a big ass company, and the company president just told his employees to stop spreading company news on social media... what's the problem?



I have no problem with that
opelmanta1900 Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 2:05 PM EST
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so you have no problem with the presidents "gag order"? can you find one? I feel like debating something I know relatively little about...
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 2:09 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
so you have no problem with the presidents "gag order"? can you find one? I feel like debating something I know relatively little about...



I have no issue with freezing government social media. I'd have no issue if they were eliminated entirely. That's not even on my radar.

Unfortunately I'm not comfortable talking about what I see and my concerns at the moment (in here). I'll revisit it some day when things are more clear. I am disturbed by a couple things however.



As an unrelated side ... I watched the Obama admin manipulate the FOIA system to their benefit and found it disturbing. I also watched them manipulate congressional casework, reporting and oversight.... I tend to get uncomfortable when checks and balances are eroded or manipulated
Gene363 Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 2:15 PM EST
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Meh, what company doesn't require all outgoing information requests to be a single source or have a designated information officer?

Certain lawyers are always willing to take any sort of company communication as a contract. To wit, many years ago my employer supplied us with personalized note pads that had the company logo. One lawsuit later that claimed a note with the company logo was a contractural contract not just a note from an individual that was not authorized to make a contractural commitment. The company replaced all the notepads sans the logo.

Oh, as for that data, it will be around until they abolish the EPA, then it will be archived in the recycle bin. Frying pan
Buckwheat Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 2:38 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
well america is a big ass company, and the company president just told his employees to stop spreading company news on social media... what's the problem?


The problem is you're claiming that "america is a big ass company" which just doesn't have any basis in reality. Wasn't founded and has never been a company.
Why do you hate america? horse
dstieger Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 2:40 PM EST
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Maybe we'll start making a profit and not have to worry about that silly deficit thingy
ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 3:13 PM EST
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Buckwheat, apparently you're not familiar with the Federal Reserve.
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 3:23 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Maybe we'll start making a profit and not have to worry about that silly deficit thingy



I still hear about how Clinton did that and built up a 10 trillion dollar surplus... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 3:34 PM EST
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Then blew it all on a blue dress
tailgater Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 3:34 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
America wants to be Thumped down. We don't care about science, facts or anything that detracts from having a good job with benefits. We don't believe, or care, that our work can make life for our kids or our kids' kids miserable. We don't care that there are ways to create good jobs and make our country/world safer.



I'll guess "cynicism by an American liberal" for 100, Alex.
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 3:43 PM EST
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I love how now we're all concerned about transparency
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 3:49 PM EST
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At least we don't have Hillary (she lost) making them post Fake Data all over there websites to keep the masses scared and stuff... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 4:00 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I love how now we're all concerned about transparency



I always have been.

I may not support doing so illegally and through foreign governments but yes I find transparency in government to be something I value and something that eroded through the past couple Administrations. I'd like to end that pattern rather than expedite it. I would guess we both actually agree on that.
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 4:20 PM EST
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True... true... Mellow



that was another Obama broken promise... Mellow
gummy jones Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 4:22 PM EST
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dang
i was really looking forward to a bunch of witty and snarky alphabet organization tweets
that is their job right?
Abrignac Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 5:31 PM EST
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Has anyone seen Mr. Jones? I mean this is a thread about government making things disappear.
delta1 Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 6:00 PM EST
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poor Mr. Jones...he had a thing goin on...
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 6:11 PM EST
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Unlike drafter who has a thing going in
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 6:33 PM EST
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Mad
tonygraz Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 6:34 PM EST
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I heard Mr. Jones was banned by the SSG.
Brewha Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2017, 7:46 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Liberal fear-mongering headlines...


Trump Just Ordered Government Scientists to Hide Facts From the Public

USDA Ordered to Stop Talking to Public

Trump Administration Restricts News from Federal Scientists at USDA, EPA

Information lockdown hits Trump’s federal agencies


Technically, it's not fear mongering when it is true.

We used to call it news......
tonygraz Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 10:01 AM EST
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Just saw that Consumer Reports had a test of ground beef and found in tests of 458 pounds that there was bacteria in all cases that signified fecal contamination. A now a gag order on the FDA. How sick do you get under this dictator ?
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 10:07 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Just saw that Consumer Reports had a test of ground beef and found in tests of 458 pounds that there was bacteria in all cases that signified fecal contamination. A now a gag order on the FDA. How sick do you get under this dictator ?



Look I'm no big fan of President Boo Boo but I doubt hes had a deke in his mouf


Unless it was putins
opelmanta1900 Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 10:36 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Just saw that Consumer Reports had a test of ground beef and found in tests of 458 pounds that there was bacteria in all cases that signified fecal contamination. A now a gag order on the FDA. How sick do you get under this dictator ?


chicken is to salmonella as beef is to e.coli O157:h7... there's e.coli in your ground beef, period... has been since the 80's, isn't going away any time soon...

USDA (FDA does do some food but not raw meat) agents and inspectors HAVE NEVER been able to tweet about their microbiological findings... ever... not now, not under Obama... nothing has changed in that respect...

stop listening to the liberal fear mongering... something bad will happen soon enough, I promise... but you gotta be patient... you can't go crying wolf every time you see puppy's tail...
ZRX1200 Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 10:52 AM EST
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I bet Kerry O'Grady regrets not keepeing her mouth shut........
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#41 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 10:54 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
chicken is to salmonella as beef is to e.coli O157:h7... there's e.coli in your ground beef, period... has been since the 80's, isn't going away any time soon...

USDA (FDA does do some food but not raw meat) agents and inspectors HAVE NEVER been able to tweet about their microbiological findings... ever... not now, not under Obama... nothing has changed in that respect...

stop listening to the liberal fear mongering... something bad will happen soon enough, I promise... but you gotta be patient... you can't go crying wolf every time you see puppy's tail...


+1
dude you really stole my fire with that one

why we think alphabet agencies need to tweet/facebook/etc their thoughts to us is beyond me. they work for a larger entity and they release their reports just like they have forever.
teedubbya Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 11:07 AM EST
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tweeting is a very small part of the equation. and a red herring. that's not where the baseball is
ZRX1200 Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 11:10 AM EST
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^ tell that to Kerry O'Grady
gummy jones Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 11:16 AM EST
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"The Trump administration is examining the website of the Environmental Protection Agency to determine which information will remain, underscoring concerns that climate change and other scientific data might be removed.

EPA employees have also been instructed not to release press releases, publish blog posts or post anything on social media. It's part of a crackdown by the new administration that seems to be especially felt at the EPA and the Interior Department, leaving some employees "terrified.""
-cnn

some are suggesting that they are no long allowed to "science" or science

i guess we shall see

imo there are many .gov agencies that are out of control but if someone if of the mindset that bigger alphabet agencies and more regulation is the answer then i could see how they would be "terrified" by these sort of things

oh how lucky we are to be "terrified" when our boss tells us not to post about work on social media
maybe i just dont scare easy but i have never been allowed to do that and i cant think of a time in my life where i was ever "terrified"
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#45 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 11:16 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
So tell me, how is this making America great? As long as your telling me that maybe you could also mention how this follows our right to freedom of speech.




Think this was debunked yesterday in that nothing came from the WH to either agency on this. The directives came from within each agency.


A lot of tail chasing for nothing.
tonygraz Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 11:20 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
chicken is to salmonella as beef is to e.coli O157:h7... there's e.coli in your ground beef, period... has been since the 80's, isn't going away any time soon...

USDA (FDA does do some food but not raw meat) agents and inspectors HAVE NEVER been able to tweet about their microbiological findings... ever... not now, not under Obama... nothing has changed in that respect...

stop listening to the liberal fear mongering... something bad will happen soon enough, I promise... but you gotta be patient... you can't go crying wolf every time you see puppy's tail...


The strategy of waiting for something to go wrong when you know there are problems is inviting disaster.
DrafterX Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 11:26 AM EST
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So, you got that bunker dug yet..?? Huh
opelmanta1900 Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 11:33 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
The strategy of waiting for something to go wrong when you know there are problems is inviting disaster.


and your strategy of bitching about things you can't change somehow ends with a different result?
delta1 Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 11:45 AM EST
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No evidence of gag order...maybe self censorship by managers of agencies mandated to protect and inform the public trying to please the new boss, who has said he doesn't believe the data/facts...not quite censorship, but on the slope...

ZRX is right, telling us about the real BIG news yesterday, involving statements made on social media by a SAC Secret Service Kelly O'Grady. She posted/tweeted statements about her "doubts that she could take a bullet for Thumpher" That's big.

Even the SS agents who didn't approve of, and had similar thoughts about Obama, were smarter than to publicly say stuff like that. Wonder why the pristine reputation of that agency has taken a hit since he became President? Remember the time when a bunch of the the elite team (counter-assault team) were found drunk in Amsterdam the night before a major Obama event? Or when no agent was watching a door that had a disabled alarm, when an intruder with a knife got into the WH? Result of O'Grady-like attitudes?
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#50 Posted: Thu, Jan 26 2017, 11:55 AM EST
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And now the national parks service started a non-official twitter page???
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