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Melania Trump: The unusual, traditional next First Lady
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Buckwheat Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2017, 12:32 PM EST
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Here's an interesting article about the incoming First Lady that actually looks like they took their time to write.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37256893

Worth a read. Just a FYI thing. fog


TMCTLT Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2017, 12:51 PM EST
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Fairly boring read and nothing there that the Gov. owned media hadn't already tried to use to discredit her.

@least she was smart enough NOT to use Michell' " For the first time in my life, I'm proud to be an American" bit...

Now if you were to post an article on the life of the broad who has spent a lifetime in politics ( and a couple runs @ the highest office ) mostly deceiving and outright lying to We The People.....wait that would take an entire book to cover.
delta1 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2017, 2:22 PM EST
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Not sure how she'll be perceived post Presidency. She is looked upon now as...Eye Candy? Gold Digger? What's that term for marrying to become a U.S. citizen? She seems to have been taken aback by the scorn heaped on her after her speech...hope she recovers and finds her voice again...she did follow the immigration rules...and talks about her son like a loving mother would...
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2017, 2:25 PM EST
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Agreed. Never understood going after first ladies but it's happened in my lifetime from Nancy on. I'm sure it's always been the case (Lincoln comes to mind). Weird to me though. Seems pretty low brow.
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2017, 2:32 PM EST
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well, at least she can afford her own lobsters and stuff... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2017, 2:51 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
What's that term for marrying to become a U.S. citizen?


I think the word you are looking for it Illegal. Sarcasm
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2017, 2:52 PM EST
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Did he purchase her..?? Huh
dstieger Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2017, 2:58 PM EST
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You just described every.........nevermind.....and NO, my wife is not looking over my shoulder
gummy jones Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2017, 3:26 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
well, at least she can afford her own lobsters and stuff... Mellow


poor jamis winston
delta1 Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jan 18 2017, 6:20 PM EST
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^ haha...too funny...
RMAN4443 Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2017, 4:21 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
well, at least she can afford her own lobsters and stuff... Mellow

Lobsters and Crabs..........oh my
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2017, 6:32 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
I think the word you are looking for it Illegal. Sarcasm


Yeah... and who says one needs to marry to become a US citizen? You don't. She was already a successful model and had her own money. She could have become a citizen on her own. She didn't need to marry the Donald or any other American.

She's a pretty lady. I'm sure she had opportunities with a lot of rich dudes from here and abroad.
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 8:54 AM EST
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Heard her on da radio a couple days ago... Her and President Trump were somewhere in front of the press and he asked her if she'd like to say something... everyone laughed... Think
She did speak briefly very well but it made me wonder what the laughter was all about.... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 10:48 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Agreed. Never understood going after first ladies but it's happened in my lifetime from Nancy on. I'm sure it's always been the case (Lincoln comes to mind). Weird to me though. Seems pretty low brow.




More Low brow than a woman who after living a life of opportunities that many Americans ( regardless of SKIN COLOR ) becomes THE FIRST BLACK 1st Lady.....all the woman can say is

" For the first time in my life...I'm proud to be an American "

To my knowledge there's NEVER BEEN a 1st Lady who said such an egregious thing after her husband was elected to THE highest office in the land.

And NOW...after the Dems lost the office after fielding the WORST candidate eva.....she doesn't " feel safe :

Pretty low brow in my mind...
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 11:24 AM EST
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Meh
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 12:03 PM EST
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_First_Ladies_of_the_United_States

Man, I bet Frances Clara Folsom could give a mean one... Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 12:37 PM EST
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Man!!!!

She looked...
As
Ricardo Montibon
Says...

"Juuuu luuuke MAAAAARRRRVELLLOUS"

She looked like a SUPER model ( which she is)
On that Inaugural podium....

THAT COAT WAS GORGEOUS...
THE HAIRDO TOTAL CLASS...
MELANIA
REMINDED ME OF JACKIE KENNEDY...BIG-TIME.
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 12:48 PM EST
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Looks like mr Jones caught the ghey from the nesting dolls. The key is prolly for falsies.
TMCTLT Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 12:54 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Meh




LMAO....that's all you got? I'll admit it'd be difficult to defend her when looked @ that way NO???

Meh indeed Shame on you
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 1:01 PM EST
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Nah. Just seeing an obsession and over reaction. I just don't get it. I have no love for Obama or his wife but you very much remind me of my friend that hated the Bush First Ladies.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 1:01 PM EST
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It's no big deal though. Embrace the hate.
TMCTLT Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 1:11 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It's no big deal though. Embrace the hate.



Dude your the one obsessed with " appearing " to be middle of the road while @ the same time giving that woman and her husband cover @ every opportunity. I harbor no hatred for them, but I'm NOT blind to what takes place in front of me.
RMAN4443 Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 1:16 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Man!!!!

She looked...
As
Ricardo Montibon
Says...

"Juuuu luuuke MAAAAARRRRVELLLOUS"

.


Fernando Lamas and then Billy Crystal imitating Fernando Lamas
Mr. Jones Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 1:33 PM EST
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#23 RMAN4443

Thanks for the correction.

Man, I really got that one wrong.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 1:38 PM EST
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Shocking.
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 2:01 PM EST
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Harbor no hatred LOL
delta1 Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 2:30 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Heard her on da radio a couple days ago... Her and President Trump were somewhere in front of the press and he asked her if she'd like to say something... everyone laughed... Think
She did speak briefly very well but it made me wonder what the laughter was all about.... Mellow


Maybe due to the firestorm that happened after her last speech...kinda like the nervous laughter after a near-death experience and someone says "let's do it again"? She'll be fine...is fine...
tailgater Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 3:22 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Meh


Here's another gem:
"as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station."


She sure does want to unite the country with her visions of hope and change.


She's a wretched, awful human being.



DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 3:30 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Here's another gem:
"as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station."




Did he run out of ciggs again..?? Huh
tailgater Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 3:33 PM EST
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lucy's.
victor809 Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 3:53 PM EST
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Tail...how the hell does that have an impact on uniting a country?

Do you want her to lie to you and pretend that her life challenges are identical to a white persons?

Seriously... it's weird what you focus on with her but let fly elsewhere
tailgater Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 8:47 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tail...how the hell does that have an impact on uniting a country?

Do you want her to lie to you and pretend that her life challenges are identical to a white persons?

Seriously... it's weird what you focus on with her but let fly elsewhere


I don't let racial comments fly if the person saying them is being revered.

As for how it impacts the country?
Hearing a prominent person say that her husband could get killed just for the color of his skin?? Are you even serious when you ask that?

This is a free country.
Great things are available to everyone. But bad things can happen at any time.
If you're white I guess you just have to suck it up.
But according to you, if you're black it's because of your skin color.

I'm saying that's pure bull sh*t.
That doesn't mean racists don't exist.
But people like YOU blame race everytime someone of color is involved.
It's tiresome. And it hurts our country because the numb nutted enlightened crowd LOVE to think they display more empathy than the person to their right.

So in summary, I don't need her "life challenges" to be equal to a white persons. I need for us to stop trying to judge things based on color. Economics are a much larger influence. Much larger. Not even close.
Abrignac Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 9:08 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Here's another gem:
"as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station."


She sure does want to unite the country with her visions of hope and change.


She's a wretched, awful human being.






Funny that comes up. I remember a time when we lived in Fredericksburg, VA when John Muhammad and Lee Malvo were on the loose, the man they shot who was filling up his car at the Exxon station there was at the same station my Dad filled his car at. I also remember having to go somewhere with my wife and children. We all walked in line. Cindy infrastructure by the children directly behind her and me following them. If any member of my family was shot I wanted to be the one blocking the rest of them.

I'm curious what the implication of the black man being shot going to a gas station is. Regardless, in guessing but, if that man is shot there's about about an 85% it will be another black man shooting him. So why is that statement even relavent?
Abrignac Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 9:17 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Seriously... it's weird what you focus on with her but let fly elsewhere


It's even weirder to think that we can bridge the racial divide as long as half of the population continues to paint the other half as racist.
delta1 Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 9:18 PM EST
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I'm hearing a lot of talk from the Trump team about how every American will have "access" and "opportunity" to a host of this country's offerings. Didn't the word "equal" used to precede the others? When did that ideal get lost?
Abrignac Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 9:18 PM EST
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Back to the original post. If today is any indication, Melania will represent America very elegantly.
Abrignac Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 9:22 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
I'm hearing a lot of talk from the Trump team about everyone will have "access" and "opportunity" to a host of this country's offerings. Didn't the word "equal" used to precede the others? When did that ideal get lost?


That's the same mantra that spews from MSNBC. Ignore what Trump says and focus on what he didn't say. The man is not a politician. He doesn't tend to pat people on the ass while telling him what they want to hear. Just because he hasn't said xyz doesn't mean he will not do xyz.
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 9:26 PM EST
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Think
So because he didn't say equal he's excluding someone. .?? Huh
Abrignac Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 9:32 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
So because he didn't say equal he's excluding someone. .?? Huh


Wouldn't matter if he said equal. There would be some other imagined slight to cry about.
victor809 Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 9:47 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I don't let racial comments fly if the person saying them is being revered.

As for how it impacts the country?
Hearing a prominent person say that her husband could get killed just for the color of his skin?? Are you even serious when you ask that?

This is a free country.
Great things are available to everyone. But bad things can happen at any time.
If you're white I guess you just have to suck it up.
But according to you, if you're black it's because of your skin color.

I'm saying that's pure bull sh*t.
That doesn't mean racists don't exist.
But people like YOU blame race everytime someone of color is involved.
It's tiresome. And it hurts our country because the numb nutted enlightened crowd LOVE to think they display more empathy than the person to their right.

So in summary, I don't need her "life challenges" to be equal to a white persons. I need for us to stop trying to judge things based on color. Economics are a much larger influence. Much larger. Not even close.


... you really aren't understanding the simplicity of the quote.
No one in the world says that every time a person of color is killed there's racism.

But guess what, at every single class level, a black person is going to be more likely to be killed "going to the gas station" (which just means being outside the house... we're not talking about specifically the gas station here people).

Bad things happen to everyone of every single race and class. To bring that up as some sort of excuse is stupid. We all know it. And guess what, no one is pretending whites have to just "suck it up". Has anyone in your life ever actually told you to just "suck it up"? I swear, the way people act on this forum you'd think they're getting the sh$t end of a stick somewhere and told to lump it. Yet they're all on a cigar forum talking about the $20 cigars they really enjoy to LITERALLY BURN INTO ASH.

All that woman was saying was that even as a professional, educated man with no ties to drug dealers, criminals, gangs or any other bs like that, he ran a statistically higher chance of getting shot running an errand than an equivalent person living in the same neighborhood but being white. And guess what, that's not false. Why do you take it as some sort of attack on your american way of life?

Seriously... She wasn't even asking you to care about it... just accept it and move on.

I would honestly be less disturbed if you accepted it as a fact, laughed about it and said something like "serves them right those black people"... at least it would make some sense... (but then I guess you'd live in Colorado).

To think a statement like that is some sort of attack on america or seeding of racial strife makes no sense to me...
Abrignac Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 9:51 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... ...


WGAF???

Suck it up buttercup.
DrafterX Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 9:55 PM EST
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If she said off camera fine.. she was trying to create outrage.. or division even.. you with all your wisdom should see that.. Mellow
victor809 Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 11:24 PM EST
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If that's the case then drafter...why don't I feel divided? If the purpose is to drive a wedge between whites and blacks (which is what you say) then I should be outraged and divided. I mean... I'm white. I probably have the statistically lowest chance of getting shot while running an errand of any population group... yet that statement barely blips on my radar.
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2017, 11:27 PM EST
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You're not the target... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#45 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2017, 12:44 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
That's the same mantra that spews from MSNBC. Ignore what Trump says and focus on what he didn't say. The man is not a politician. He doesn't tend to pat people on the ass while telling him what they want to hear. Just because he hasn't said xyz doesn't mean he will not do xyz.


It's not just Trump that says that. It's been said by several of his cabinet nominees. DeVos said it many times.

"Equal opportunity" comes, not from MSNBC, but from a higher source. The United States' Declaration of Independence says it's self evident that all men are crated equal (paraphrasing). The concept is further stated as a basic American principal in the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which includes the statement that all citizens enjoy "equal protection under the law." The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on a number of occasions that this is the law of the land. see Brown v Board.

At their core, it seems that our founding fathers believed every citizen should enjoy a fair chance. "Separate but equal" didn't cut it, and neither should "access and opportunity."
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#46 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2017, 1:08 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
It's not just Trump that says that. It's been said by several of his cabinet nominees. DeVos said it many times.

"Equal opportunity" comes, not from MSNBC, but from a higher source. The United States' Declaration of Independence says it's self evident that all men are crated equal (paraphrasing). The concept is further stated as a basic American principal in the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which includes the statement that all citizens enjoy "equal protection under the law." The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on a number of occasions that this is the law of the land. see Brown v Board.

At their core, it seems that our founding fathers believed every citizen should enjoy a fair chance. "Separate but equal" didn't cut it, and neither should "access and opportunity."



Didn't a wiseman once say "Do Unto Others as you would have Others Do Unto You"?
DrafterX Offline
#47 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2017, 9:13 AM EST
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Axl wrote that man... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#48 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2017, 10:48 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
It's not just Trump that says that. It's been said by several of his cabinet nominees. DeVos said it many times.

"Equal opportunity" comes, not from MSNBC, but from a higher source. The United States' Declaration of Independence says it's self evident that all men are crated equal (paraphrasing). The concept is further stated as a basic American principal in the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which includes the statement that all citizens enjoy "equal protection under the law." The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on a number of occasions that this is the law of the land. see Brown v Board.

At their core, it seems that our founding fathers believed every citizen should enjoy a fair chance. "Separate but equal" didn't cut it, and neither should "access and opportunity."


IIRC, Trump stated that he wanted a heath care system that works for everyone. How does one derive separate from equal from that? Since no actual plan has been put forward this amounts to nothing more than fear mongering.
delta1 Offline
#49 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2017, 12:13 PM EST
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Trump did say that...kudos. But if you listen to the rhetoric of his cabinet nominees, it's "access and opportunity"...without "equal"...we shall see. Let's table this for awhile and review after his administration actually does stuff, beyond talk.
tailgater Offline
#50 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2017, 12:53 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... you really aren't understanding the simplicity of the quote.
No one in the world says that every time a person of color is killed there's racism.

But guess what, at every single class level, a black person is going to be more likely to be killed "going to the gas station" (which just means being outside the house... we're not talking about specifically the gas station here people).

Bad things happen to everyone of every single race and class. To bring that up as some sort of excuse is stupid. We all know it. And guess what, no one is pretending whites have to just "suck it up". Has anyone in your life ever actually told you to just "suck it up"? I swear, the way people act on this forum you'd think they're getting the sh$t end of a stick somewhere and told to lump it. Yet they're all on a cigar forum talking about the $20 cigars they really enjoy to LITERALLY BURN INTO ASH.

All that woman was saying was that even as a professional, educated man with no ties to drug dealers, criminals, gangs or any other bs like that, he ran a statistically higher chance of getting shot running an errand than an equivalent person living in the same neighborhood but being white. And guess what, that's not false. Why do you take it as some sort of attack on your american way of life?

Seriously... She wasn't even asking you to care about it... just accept it and move on.

I would honestly be less disturbed if you accepted it as a fact, laughed about it and said something like "serves them right those black people"... at least it would make some sense... (but then I guess you'd live in Colorado).

To think a statement like that is some sort of attack on america or seeding of racial strife makes no sense to me...


I can't find anything that is accurate in your post.
No time to make it point by point, but Michelle DID use the comment to suggest racism. To state that America is inherently racist. It's disingenuous and if you listen to the entire conversation you'd know that.
A wealthy black man is NOT more likely to get shot than a wealthy white guy in equivalent situations. I HAVE been told to "just suck it up". I've been witness to police over-reaction and my brother got beat and pepper sprayed. If he were black you would blame it on that. I know because I was there. It was a misunderstanding that escalated because my 6'3" 275 lb brother didn't listen to the rookie trooper.
I find it appalling how people WANT to cite racism. And when prominent people do it, it perpetuates the myth.
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