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Abrignac Offline
#201 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:23 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Great advice Dr. tailgater............any particular Floyd or does it matter...........do I need a prescription for the headphones?


Pandora create a station called Comfortably Numb. Problem solved. You're welcome.

If that doesn't work for you, there are numeous full Pink Floyd concerts on Youtube. I saved a few gigs of HD Floyd concerts as well as plenty of older lower quality digital quality. I then loaded them on an external drive that I plug into my TV. The only thing better than watching a Floyd concert at 1080 on a 65" TV except being there.

Google youtube download utility There are a few third party programs that will automate downloading of youtube videos.
tailgater Offline
#202 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:25 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Great advice Dr. tailgater............any particular Floyd or does it matter...........do I need a prescription for the headphones?


I was originally thinking something early. Maybe Sid Barrett stuff.
But DSOM is never a bad choice.
bgz Offline
#203 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:26 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Bgz...
Pot is a plant, and as such a very inaccurate deliverymethod
Thc is the drug.
If a company is selling thc it would be purified from the plant to allow consistent dosing. It becomes much easier to consume 15x the effective dose ( which is defined as the ld50). That is considered lethal.


Anything can kill you if you take enough.


Ya, sugar's ld50 is less than THC's...

What's your point?
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#204 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:29 PM EST
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Sorry, can't stand Pink Floyd...that won't help me any.
tailgater Offline
#205 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:29 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I wouldn't state that it's always better... but you've just gone and stayed that it's never better, and that sir, is both inaccurate and dangerous....


You're playing semantics, and you're doing it poorly.

Nowhere did I say it's "never" better. Nor was it implied.
tailgater Offline
#206 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:30 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Sorry, can't stand Pink Floyd...that won't help me any.


You ARE crazy!
tailgater Offline
#207 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:32 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Are you challenging me to eat 5 to 10 lbs of krispy kreme donuts? I feel like you're challenging me to eat 5 to 10 lbs of krispy kreme donuts...


LOL!
Challenge Accepted!
bgz Offline
#208 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:34 PM EST
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^ +1

I would love to see that.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#209 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:34 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You're playing semantics, and you're doing it poorly.

Nowhere did I say it's "never" better. Nor was it implied.



"Don't assume "natural" equals "better than man made".

It's not only inaccurate, it's also dangerous."

your statement literally implies that natural is never better than manmade... literally... had you said "don't assume natural ALWAYS equals better than manmade", I would've agreed... but you didn't say that...





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#210 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:35 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You ARE crazy!

I heard his wife would kill him if he ever listened to floyd...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#211 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:37 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
LOL!
Challenge Accepted!



You should come to california in april/may for the deep sea herf... we'll see who can throw up the most sprinkles...
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#212 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:37 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I heard his wife would kill him if he ever listened to floyd...


She actually likes Pink Floyd. My problem is that it sounds too cheesy. I am sure if it was made using today's technology I would probably like it.
Abrignac Offline
#213 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:41 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Sorry, can't stand Pink Floyd...that won't help me any.



Well that's your problem. Turn down the lights, play a Floyd and spark up a doobie. You'll quickly realie you can do away with the Thorazine. Seek out seed for different stains of ganga. You'll find that some hybrids are better than others with respect to different health concerns.

A good Indica will produce a deep body high with is very relaxing and brings about peaceful sleep. A Sativa is more mind stimulating and provide a euphoric high. Just be careful that you manage the munchies.
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#214 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:42 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
She actually likes Pink Floyd. My problem is that it sounds too cheesy. I am sure if it was made using today's technology I would probably like it.

oh I get it... she just doesn't want you smoking her pot...
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#215 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:44 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Well that's your problem. Turn down the lights, play a Floyd and spark up a doobie. You'll quickly realie you can do away with the Thorazine. Seek out seed for different stains of ganga. You'll find that some hybrids are better than others with respect to different health concerns.

A good Indica will produce a deep body high with is very relaxing and brings about peaceful sleep. A Sativa is more mind stimulating and provide a euphoric high. Just be careful that you manage the munchies.



are you challenging me to eat 5-10 lbs of krispy kreme donuts?
bgz Offline
#216 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:46 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
are you challenging me to eat 5-10 lbs of krispy kreme donuts?


YESSSSSS!!!!!
Abrignac Offline
#217 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 3:58 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
are you challenging me to eat 5-10 lbs of krispy kreme donuts?


Hell no. You'd prolly smoke a couple bongs full of Sativa and eat a truck load of Krispy Kreme's. I had those kind of days decades ago.

But, nail down some days on the fishing trip. I told Cindy night before last I was headed your way. Just make sure it doesn't conflict with FGM's banjo fest. I planning to make that trip. Also, Cindy's birthday is April 2. So I can't make that day either.
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#218 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 4:05 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Sorry, can't stand Pink Floyd...that won't help me any.


what
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#219 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 4:09 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
what


Sorry, just not a fan.
MACS Offline
#220 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 4:11 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You should come to california in april/may for the deep sea herf... we'll see who can throw up the most sprinkles...


I never get seasick.

In all my years on the ocean, it has never happened. Of course... I've never tried to eat 5 lbs of donuts before going out, either. Think

Abrignac Offline
#221 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 5:08 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I never get seasick.

In all my years on the ocean, it has never happened. Of course... I've never tried to eat 5 lbs of donuts before going out, either. Think



Reminds me of my days spent underway. I was the azzhole would wonder about the interior spaces smoking a cigar when we hit rough seas. Cigars and a fishing boat. Hopefully, the seas won't be flat.

Joel you put this out there so we need a date!!!! Whatcha waitin on?
victor809 Offline
#222 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 5:31 PM EST
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Bgz... the point is that if it were produced in a regulated environment like pharmaceuticals are, you'd start seeing a lot of different warnings about side effects which aren't cared about when it's either an illegal drugs or essentially treated like those dumb nutricueticals...
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#223 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 5:35 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Reminds me of my days spent underway. I was the azzhole would wonder about the interior spaces smoking a cigar when we hit rough seas. Cigars and a fishing boat. Hopefully, the seas won't be flat.

Joel you put this out there so we need a date!!!! Whatcha waitin on?

The thread is started, i just havent finished and posted yet... I'm like 2 poopy diapers away from finishing...
Abrignac Offline
#224 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 5:42 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
The thread is started, i just havent finished and posted yet... I'm like 2 poopy diapers away from finishing...


Wash your hands before you post. Nobody likes a 💩post.
bgz Offline
#225 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 6:00 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Bgz... the point is that if it were produced in a regulated environment like pharmaceuticals are, you'd start seeing a lot of different warnings about side effects which aren't cared about when it's either an illegal drugs or essentially treated like those dumb nutricueticals...


Warning, side effects include:


Red Eyes

Dry Mouth

Laziness

Using excessive use of words such as dude, man, yo, and uhhhhhh

light headedness

May cause hallucinations for millennials and the masculinity challenged

And may trigger an uncontrollable urge to pound down a family size bag of Doritos.


Oh, and you may die if you smoke your weight in one sitting.
Abrignac Offline
#226 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 6:07 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Warning, side effects include:


Red Eyes = Bloodshot

Dry Mouth = Cotton Mouth

Laziness = Vegging Out

Using excessive use of words such as dude, man, yo, and uhhhhhh = Slurred Speech

light headedness = Stoned

May cause hallucinations for millennials and the masculinity challenged = Tripping Out

And may trigger an uncontrollable urge to pound down a family size bag of Doritos. = The Munchies


Oh, and you may die if you smoke your weight in one sitting. = Don't Bogart the doobie.






Fixed
bgz Offline
#227 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 6:11 PM EST
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Hey thanks man!

lol, good fix.
victor809 Offline
#228 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 6:31 PM EST
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Some of those are side effects of pharmaceuticals that people complain about.

My only point is people have an irrational distrust of stuff that's well tested while simultaneously advocating an uncontrolled product of unknown concentration which was never put through formal trials.

It's irrational.
bgz Offline
#229 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 6:44 PM EST
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Well, I have a distrust of both.

I have no desire to down colloidal silver because some vitamin dealer / chiropractor is recommending it... don't really want grey skin.

I have no desire to down opiate based pain relievers either.... don't really want to be a junky.

In general, I more or less agree with you.

Vaccinations are good, antibiotics when needed are good.

I'm just not down to be a guinea pig for the latest meds that are just like the old meds with a twist just for the sake of renewing a patent.

Would I try them if I knew I was going to die anyway? SURE!!!

Being healthy though... no desire to be a lab rat.
victor809 Offline
#230 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 6:59 PM EST
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I don't take anything either.

I'm just baffled at some of the crazy out there... "don't trust the drug companies"... but sure some whack who tells you to eliminate gluten to improve depression must be trustworthy.

....and all the damn socialist libtard hippies on here who want everyone to smoke pot....
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#231 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 6:59 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Some of those are side effects of pharmaceuticals that people complain about.

My only point is people have an irrational distrust of stuff that's well tested while simultaneously advocating an uncontrolled product of unknown concentration which was never put through formal trials.

It's irrational.

Irrational distrust of stuff that is well tested?
hmmm.....
You care to research how many people die taking "well tested" products, every year.
Or wonder how many people are addicted to "well tested" products?

There are good reasons for their distrust!

Marijuana has been used for a long time........by quite a few folks.
It's like coffee at this point.

Many people simply feel safer using marijuana, in various forms, to treat their health issues, than they are with using "traditional" pharmaceuticals. This phenomena will likely increase.

Big pharma will no doubt become a major player, and they'll buy-up the MMJ biotech start-ups as they continue to proliferate. And, big pharma will try to get control of the industry as best it can, but the cat is out of the bag, and even big pharma won't be able to put it back in, thankfully!
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#232 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 7:09 PM EST
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Umm... what's your point?

More powerful drugs with more powerful effects (not everything or everyone can be fixed with a quick toke) will have potentially more significant side effects. Some times that's death. I'm not seeing the problem.

Thc is great. They're finding it may have some positive effcts. But that's not gonna fix all the problems in the world. Sometimes other drugs are needed... guess what, sometimes those drugs are dangerous.
bgz Offline
#233 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 7:13 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I don't take anything either.

I'm just baffled at some of the crazy out there... "don't trust the drug companies"... but sure some whack who tells you to eliminate gluten to improve depression must be trustworthy.


Agree for the most part...

Except I do think doctors over-prescribe psych meds to get their kickbacks... I'm pretty sure some people actually do need them, but I'm also pretty sure the vast majority don't.

victor809 wrote:

....and all the damn socialist libtard hippies on here who want everyone to smoke pot....


Just hank. We want hank to man up and tell his wife he can smoke weed if he wants.

At least that's my goal, not sure about the rest of the libtard hippies.
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#234 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 7:16 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Umm... what's your point?


My point was simply is that people's distrust of "well tested" traditional pharmaceuticals, for a myriad of conditions, is not irrational at all.

And their use of marijuana to treat said conditions, instead of "well tested" traditional big pharma drugs, makes perfect sense to me.
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#235 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 7:23 PM EST
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Only if the condition can be solved by thc....

Seriously... we're talking about self diagnosing and then deciding thc is an appropriate medication... by someone with likely no training in medicine, pharmacology or anything else relevant. That's what a bulk of the people seem to think is a better idea than hiring an expert and purchasing products designed and tested to resolve the issue.


Seems like a damn hippie move to me
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#236 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 7:52 PM EST
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A damn hippie move?
OK - go watch Reefer Madness again.

Victor, many cultures have been using cannabis and hemp as an integral part of their healthcare, industry, recreation, and so on, for hundreds of years.
It's been around long before there was a pharma industry.
In this country it was demonized, for a variety of nefarious motives, long ago, and unfortunately the propaganda efforts were able to keep it illegal, with stupid penalties and fines, etc.
But those days are coming to an end.
Is it a hippie move? I don't give a fuq what it's called. I just know, from first hand experience, and many very close second hand experiences, that medical marijuana is efficacious, safe, and cheap.
It is the best option for many people, period.
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#237 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 7:56 PM EST
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.... yeah you probably wanna pay for their college education and give them free Healthcare too.
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#238 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 8:07 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Only if the condition can be solved by thc....

Seriously... we're talking about self diagnosing and then deciding thc is an appropriate medication... by someone with likely no training in medicine, pharmacology or anything else relevant. That's what a bulk of the people seem to think is a better idea than hiring an expert and purchasing products designed and tested to resolve the issue.


Seems like a damn hippie move to me



I really think you are over reading this. So I'll try to clarify. Some weed. Get stoned. Then you don't GAF if the other meds work. You may die, but no worries at least the munchies will be eliminated.
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#239 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 8:59 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Some of those are side effects of pharmaceuticals that people complain about.

My only point is people have an irrational distrust of stuff that's well tested while simultaneously advocating an uncontrolled product of unknown concentration which was never put through formal trials.

It's irrational.


Pot was tested extensively. Then they lied their asses off about it and made commercials saying it turned people into stark raving lunatics. Remember that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqsSp1kQyLI
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#240 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 9:11 PM EST
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Hasn't alcohol killed more than pot...

I think Victor smokes cigarettes for the additives since he doesn't like the natural cigars....
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#241 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 9:15 PM EST
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I cant click a link.

But i can bet you that's not clinical trial testing. That's a different level of testing with different sample sizes. Probably what.... 30 people or so?
MACS Offline
#242 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 9:47 PM EST
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No. Pot was never tested by the GOV'T and they made up propaganda about it. THEN they started testing it. Tell me you've never heard of the people getting pot (free) from the federal government... you may want to look that up before you keep bumping your gums about it not ever being clinically tested. I believe it started in the late 70's, and had a dozen or so participants.

Admittedly not a large database, but testing was and is done on pot. Decades worth.

That was video proof of the stupid propaganda commercials they used to make... before they ever did a single test.
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#243 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:42 PM EST
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The only reason why it's illegal is because it could be used to make a wide array of products more efficiently and cheaper than other products back in the day. That threatened the bottom line of companies across several industries (I know rope and energy were a couple of them). If I remember right, all that crap happened in the 30s.
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#244 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:47 PM EST
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There is a difference between bunk propaganda and government funded double blind studies.
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#245 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:49 PM EST
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MACS... 12 is not a clinical trial.

To run a clinical trial you need 100 to 1000+ depending on what you want to prove. That's how you start to see the low probability side effects....

12 is just a study. It can be a good one. But you're not likely to see any effects below a specific probability (I don't want to do the math to give you the number... it's annoying math)
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#246 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:52 PM EST
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Was supposed to be 1200, only 1% showed up, the others missed it as they were smoking their personal stash and to happy to ruin their positive mental health state to be included in a gubment study.....
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#247 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:52 PM EST
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Bgz... I dont.want to get into that whole "threatened profits of evil companies" thing... I have a healthy skepticism of anything claimed by a bunch of dirty high hippies ... especially when the claim is to justify them getting more pot.

Even if it was made illegal at one point due to industries not wanting the competition... that's simply not still the case. Pot will eventually become legal (as it should)... whether anyone bothers investing in turning it into a legitimate pharmaceutical I am doubtful.
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#248 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:53 PM EST
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^I get that, and don't disagree. I'm sure there was a reason they chose a tiny number to test. If they tested 1000 it would have been more widely known, and there would have been no way to hide the fact that it isn't as dangerous as they have been telling us... and alcohol is much worse.

For post #245
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#249 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:55 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Bgz... I dont.want to get into that whole "threatened profits of evil companies" thing... I have a healthy skepticism of anything claimed by a bunch of dirty high hippies ... especially when the claim is to justify them getting more pot.

Even if it was made illegal at one point due to industries not wanting the competition... that's simply not still the case. Pot will eventually become legal (as it should)... whether anyone bothers investing in turning it into a legitimate pharmaceutical I am doubtful.

read up on full-plant cbd manufacturing...

and also, come fishing!
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#250 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:57 PM EST
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In truth its being used as a legitimate pharmaceutical already and helping many without negative side effects of other chemically manufactured pharmaceuticals
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