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shaun341 Offline
#151 Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2017, 9:05 PM EST
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Lots of it BGZ and its a youtube for facts party......COME ON MAN!!!!!!!!
DrafterX Offline
#152 Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2017, 11:20 PM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAPPUised2A

Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#153 Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2017, 11:27 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
This thread even got way to metrosexual hipster gluten free for me...

Seriously... I know guys with drag names who are more manly.

it is weird, but you are correct...HA!
bgz Offline
#154 Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2017, 11:44 PM EST
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shaun341 wrote:
Lots of it BGZ and its a youtube for facts party......COME ON MAN!!!!!!!!


Just don't seem realistic...

I mean, all my wife and her friends do is sit around selling each other random $#1t on facebook all day.

So to make it realistic, I have one used jock strap for sale, first one to say sold wins!
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#155 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 9:20 AM EST
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Had my doctor visit this morning. Found out that my doctor had extensive study in psychiatric medicine, so that is a positive.

-Upped my dosage on the Effexor
-Upped my dosage on the Prilosec
-Got a script for Buspirone to take when I have anxiety attacks
-Got a script for a probiotic to see if it is cheaper to go that route or just buy OTC.

She told me that she doesn't feel the gluten free diet is necessary but I can try it if I want. Not sure what I want to do on that point. We will see....
MACS Offline
#156 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 9:55 AM EST
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^^The multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry says thanks for your contribution.
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#157 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:17 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
^^The multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry says thanks for your contribution.


Eh, if it works I don't care. If it doesn't then I can try something else. I know plenty of people that these meds have worked for, including my own family. So I am willing to give it a shot.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#158 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:17 AM EST
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https://youtu.be/FVovq9TGBw0
opelmanta1900 Offline
#159 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:18 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
^^The multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry says thanks for your contribution.

the pot industry thinks he's a fool...
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#160 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:24 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
https://youtu.be/FVovq9TGBw0


Nice. Pretty much. ha
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#161 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:25 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
the pot industry thinks he's a fool...


Well I would never try that option, so they can think whatever they want.Speak to the hand
TMCTLT Offline
#162 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:36 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
the pot industry thinks he's a fool...



+1 fog


Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Well I would never try that option, so they can think whatever they want.Speak to the hand




LMFAO....NO but you'll swallow a half dozen man made drugs with prolly several side effects each. d'oh!
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#163 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 10:49 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
+1 fog






LMFAO....NO but you'll swallow a half dozen made made drugs with prolly several side effects each. d'oh!


I would rather risk that then have my wife divorce me...literally.
SMOKEYOU Offline
#164 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 11:06 AM EST
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Dont smoke it then, get the pill of cannabis oil. You live in ohio? Nevermind. Your wife would definitely divorce you for buying "street drugs".
TMCTLT Offline
#165 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 11:47 AM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
I would rather risk that then have my wife divorce me...literally.




That sounds like a completely separate issue.....or maybe the root cause of said issues. :)
victor809 Offline
#166 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 12:31 PM EST
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While I don't have any problems with pot, nor do I think it has any particularly negative issues... I find it hilarious that people put more faith in an uncontrolled dose of a chemical which is produced in a non gmp manner than clinically tested and understood pharmaceuticals produced in a controlled manner by an inspected facility.

Just because we know what the potential side effects are for a drug and list them doesn't mean it's worse than something you never studied.
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#167 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 12:39 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
While I don't have any problems with pot, nor do I think it has any particularly negative issues... I find it hilarious that people put more faith in an uncontrolled dose of a chemical which is produced in a non gmp manner than clinically tested and understood pharmaceuticals produced in a controlled manner by an inspected facility.

Just because we know what the potential side effects are for a drug and list them doesn't mean it's worse than something you never studied.


+1
TMCTLT Offline
#168 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 12:41 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
While I don't have any problems with pot, nor do I think it has any particularly negative issues... I find it hilarious that people put more faith in an uncontrolled dose of a chemical which is produced in a non gmp manner than clinically tested and understood pharmaceuticals produced in a controlled manner by an inspected facility.

Just because we know what the potential side effects are for a drug and list them doesn't mean it's worse than something you never studied.



Take all the pharmaceuticals you like and swallow them with the faith they're telling you the truth....after all I'm certain there's no corruption between Big Pharma and the FDA even if that corruption happens to be releasing them to the public before FULL knowledge of their effects. :-"

On the other hand the FDA and god knows what other private labs have been studying Marijuana for DECADES on it's effects / side effects and have concluded there are virtually NONE




Hank_The_Tank wrote:
+1



Upped my dosage on the Effexor
-Upped my dosage on the Prilosec
Got a script for Buspirone to take when I have anxiety attacks



Still LMAO....fog
opelmanta1900 Offline
#169 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 12:43 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
While I don't have any problems with pot, nor do I think it has any particularly negative issues... I find it hilarious that people put more faith in an uncontrolled dose of a chemical which is produced in a non gmp manner than clinically tested and understood pharmaceuticals produced in a controlled manner by an inspected facility.

Just because we know what the potential side effects are for a drug and list them doesn't mean it's worse than something you never studied.

Spoken like a drug dealer... the beauty of thc and cbd are that "controlled doses" as you call them, aren't necessary because neither can kill you!!!!

And when someone is dealing with issues like "not feeling good" somtimes a joint and a little socialization and changed mindset are all it takes... but you go on and keep worshipping at the almighty throne of thorazine... in controlled doses of course...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#170 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 12:45 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Take all the pharmaceuticals you like and swallow them with the faith they're telling you the truth....after all I'm certain there's no corruption between Big Pharma and the FDA even if that corruption happens to be releasing them to the public before FULL knowledge of their effects. Whistle

On the other hand the FDA and god knows what other private labs have been studying Marijuana for DECADES on it's effects / side effects and have concluded there are virtually NONE

Do not get me started on the fda... they're a joke... a money driven joke...
TMCTLT Offline
#171 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 12:50 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Do not get me started on the fda... they're a joke... a money driven joke...



Joel I couldn't agree more
opelmanta1900 Offline
#172 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 12:52 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
+1

Stop that... he didn't make a good point and he knows it... he just spewed a bunch of crap that he knew you would agree with...

Jesus said "nothing that goes into your body makes you unholy"... i suggest you and your wife educate yourself...

not because i think you should try pot (although maybe you should) but because your view on pot isn't based in reality...

And worse yet, it might be based on a pharissee type of I'm better than others because of what i don't do...

The drugs you're currently taking are doing more physical damage to your body than pot ever could... period... there's not a logical opinion that disagrees with that...
tailgater Offline
#173 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:07 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Do not get me started on the fda... they're a joke... a money driven joke...


Is "money driven" an insult?

I rather like the fact that a government agency can at least cover operating expenses.
tailgater Offline
#174 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:10 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Stop that... he didn't make a good point and he knows it... he just spewed a bunch of crap that he knew you would agree with...

Jesus said "nothing that goes into your body makes you unholy"... i suggest you and your wife educate yourself...

not because i think you should try pot (although maybe you should) but because your view on pot isn't based in reality...

And worse yet, it might be based on a pharissee type of I'm better than others because of what i don't do...

The drugs you're currently taking are doing more physical damage to your body than pot ever could... period... there's not a logical opinion that disagrees with that...


You sound angry.
Maybe you should turn down the lights, put on some early Floyd, and spark up a doobie.
bgz Offline
#175 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:11 PM EST
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From what I get out of the above messages since my last post... the general consensus is...



Smoke some weed hank. Your wife will get over it.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#176 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:11 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Is "money driven" an insult?

I rather like the fact that a government agency can at least cover operating expenses.


Really? Even if that agency is in charge of deciding how much study needs to be done on a drug before a doctor starts prescribing them to someone you love? And even if that money that drives them comes from drug manufacturers whose only purpose is to come out with more and more marketable drugs as quickly as possible, whether there's a need for them or not?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#177 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:14 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You sound angry.
Maybe you should turn down the lights, put on some early Floyd, and spark up a doobie.



The kids don't like floyd... we're jamming to herb alpert and the Tijuana brass band...
MACS Offline
#178 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:15 PM EST
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How many ambulance chaser commercials have we seen suing pharmaceuticals because of death or other serious side effects caused by their drugs? At the end of the drug commercials, how many disclaimers do we hear about serious side effects?

A whole lot of them, on both counts. I'll stay away from them for as long as I possibly can.
victor809 Offline
#179 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:27 PM EST
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You clowns.

Let's say a pharma company started controlling the production of thc... 1 pill containing x ug ofor thc or something....

You're gonna start seeing a raft of side effects listed for thc as well. Because some small number of people do have funny reactions and that would be picked up in the required clinical trials... and guess what, then it has to be listed.

People's perception is a funny thing.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#180 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:36 PM EST
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You just totally dismissed the first half of what macs said and then had the audacity to call us clowns because you don't have a reasonable defense?

People die from consuming pharmaceuticals and from complications caused from consuming them... i can't give you exact number of deaths but I'm sure studies not carried out by drug companies are available... then there are deaths by suicide by pharmaceuticals, death by addiction to pharmaceuticals, deaths in pharmaceutical trials, deaths due to pharmaceuticals that have been taken off the market...

How many people died from smoking pot in the last twenty years?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#181 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:39 PM EST
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I understand, your job is at stake Victor... you have to argue that pharmaceutical drugs are way better than natural solutions because if people knew how good natural solutions were, you'd be living on the streets getting the sh*t kicked out of you by marijuana manufacturing employees for peeing on light poles and squatting between cars... I'd argue too if i were you....
opelmanta1900 Offline
#182 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:39 PM EST
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And also you'd probably get the hep c...
RMAN4443 Offline
#183 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:43 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You sound angry.
Maybe you should turn down the lights, put on some early Floyd, and spark up a doobie.



Great advice Dr. tailgater............any particular Floyd or does it matter...........do I need a prescription for the headphones?
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#184 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 1:57 PM EST
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Man, I can just feel the love in this thread. Glad I could cause such a stir.....
victor809 Offline
#185 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:13 PM EST
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Hehehe...

Dude, I'm not saying one is better than the other. I'm saying that under current conditions the two things aren't treated the same and the different treatment is providing different perception.

The truth is you CAN OD on thc. It is unlikely to occur with smoking but you start producing thc pills on pharma conditions and the possibility will have to be mentioned. Once the FDA is regulating something it starts to sound a lot more dangerous because the companies have to mention every possible effect that even a very small % may see.
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#186 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:14 PM EST
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And the perception people have from this warning has an impa
DrafterX Offline
#187 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:17 PM EST
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Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
#188 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:24 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
And the perception people have from this warning has an impa

Uh oh... i think past Victor might've been killed by future cyborgs and now present Victor has ceased to exist... I've seen it happen before...
DrafterX Offline
#189 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:29 PM EST
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prolly just banned... Mellow
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#190 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:35 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
While I don't have any problems with pot, nor do I think it has any particularly negative issues... I find it hilarious that people put more faith in an uncontrolled dose of a chemical which is produced in a non gmp manner than clinically tested and understood pharmaceuticals produced in a controlled manner by an inspected facility.

Just because we know what the potential side effects are for a drug and list them doesn't mean it's worse than something you never studied.

This is simply not the case, particularly for psychotropics.
I'm not an "expert" per se, but I did spend 25 years consulting to big pharma.
I know a bit about the industry, and a bit about cardiovascular, CNS and autoimmune disorders.

The regulatory process, clinical trials, patent issues, product pricing and the like?
Talk about shenanigans...
tailgater Offline
#191 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:41 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Really? Even if that agency is in charge of deciding how much study needs to be done on a drug before a doctor starts prescribing them to someone you love? And even if that money that drives them comes from drug manufacturers whose only purpose is to come out with more and more marketable drugs as quickly as possible, whether there's a need for them or not?


Don't confuse RED TAPE with Money Driven.

The FDA charges for their services. This is good. It prevents my tax dollars from helping to approve or fail pfizer's latest pill to make your grandpappy keep a stiffy.

But as one who has to wrestle with them to obtain approvals I can tell you that their red tape is legendary.
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#192 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:42 PM EST
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Man, I can just feel the love in this thread. Glad I could cause such a stir.....


Don't be crazy.

Blink
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#193 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:45 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I understand, your job is at stake Victor... you have to argue that pharmaceutical drugs are way better than natural solutions because if people knew how good natural solutions were, you'd be living on the streets getting the sh*t kicked out of you by marijuana manufacturing employees for peeing on light poles and squatting between cars... I'd argue too if i were you....


Don't assume "natural" equals "better than man made".

It's not only inaccurate, it's also dangerous.

Unless you're a Scientologist.
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#194 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:48 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Don't assume "natural" equals "better than man made".

It's not only inaccurate, it's also dangerous.

Unless you're a Scientologist.

I wouldn't state that it's always better... but you've just gone and stayed that it's never better, and that sir, is both inaccurate and dangerous....
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#195 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:48 PM EST
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Yeah organic will never beat GMO. GMO's by design built to be superior. Same thing with natural vs synthetic.
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#196 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:53 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Hehehe...

Dude, I'm not saying one is better than the other. I'm saying that under current conditions the two things aren't treated the same and the different treatment is providing different perception.

The truth is you CAN OD on thc. It is unlikely to occur with smoking but you start producing thc pills on pharma conditions and the possibility will have to be mentioned. Once the FDA is regulating something it starts to sound a lot more dangerous because the companies have to mention every possible effect that even a very small % may see.



Actually that's false, you cannot OD on THC.

Once your cannabinoid receptors are full, they're full. If you smoke (or eat) more, you're just wasting your goods.

Another source says that there actually is a lethal toxicity level for some larger animals, and based off findings, a human would have to eat like 5 to 10 pounds in one sitting.

However, if you ate 5 to 10 pounds of anything in one sitting, I would argue your chances of dying from it go up considerably.
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#197 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:54 PM EST
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KoC....
No matter what level of shenanigans you think clinical trials are, the truth is that anything which is tested in clinical trials is understood better than something which is not.

There will always be a difference in available information on the impact of a compound between something which has been tested and something which has not.

Again... I've got no problem with thc. It may be a very effective pharmaceutical drug. But to pretend it is a miracle drug and all tested pharmaceuticals must be evil because clinical trials identified a number of side effects... that's just comparing two different levels of information.

Do you know what happens when someone has a bad reaction to pot? They don't smoke any more. The drug dealers aren't then required to list those effects to everyone they sell to.
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#198 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:56 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Actually that's false, you cannot OD on THC.

Once your cannabinoid receptors are full, they're full. If you smoke (or eat) more, you're just wasting your goods.

Another source says that there actually is a lethal toxicity level for some larger animals, and based off findings, a human would have to eat like 5 to 10 pounds in one sitting.

However, if you ate 5 to 10 pounds of anything in one sitting, I would argue your chances of dying from it go up considerably.


Are you challenging me to eat 5 to 10 lbs of krispy kreme donuts? I feel like you're challenging me to eat 5 to 10 lbs of krispy kreme donuts...
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#199 Posted: Wed, Jan 11 2017, 2:57 PM EST
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Bgz...
Pot is a plant, and as such a very inaccurate deliverymethod
Thc is the drug.
If a company is selling thc it would be purified from the plant to allow consistent dosing. It becomes much easier to consume 15x the effective dose ( which is defined as the ld50). That is considered lethal.


Anything can kill you if you take enough.
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