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NoisyTutor Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 2:39 PM EST
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For extremely well kept OR #9 and T52 Robbies, what would you estimate the vale at per stick?'

Trying to work something out on OLH with a member there and I feel his value is off a bit.

Thanks for any help!
dstieger Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 2:44 PM EST
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No clue about $$ value...but as to flavor, it is VERY personal and varies greatly from one person to another.

IMO, 9's improve...with years...52, less so...some even degrade

If it was here, I'd say asking much beyond 10% premium over MSRP would be distasteful.

If on OLH, I say take what you can get -- going rate is going to fluctuate anyway....if you're getting more than you paid, than don't sweat it.....at least I wouldn't...but I don't view my cigars as investments
Buckwheat Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 2:45 PM EST
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NoisyTutor wrote:
For extremely well kept OR #9 and T52 Robbies, what would you estimate the vale at per stick?'

Trying to work something out on OLH with a member there and I feel his value is off a bit.

Thanks for any help!


How many years aged and how are the smoking now? I assume that they were keep in a good low temp and ~60% RH. A good rule of thumb is $1 more than you paid for them per year aged. Maybe more if they have been aged more than 5 or 10 years. Set a value and if the deal falls through just keep them to age longer or just smoke them. They're only cigars not Fabergé eggs. YMMV fog
SMOKEYOU Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 3:00 PM EST
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Milk him for what he's worth.
jjanecka Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 4:12 PM EST
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Age rarely merits a price increase unless you're talking about some kind of collectible cigars but I agree with Smokeyou
cameroon Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 4:26 PM EST
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I bid tree fiddy
frankj1 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 4:58 PM EST
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can we change your name?
crgcpro Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 5:07 PM EST
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You may not like my answer but I'll give it anyway.

LP's are best smoked in under 2 years. This is my opinion, the opinion of most people that have smoked them for years, and also Steve Saka's opinion, who was behind the LP lines before he left the company.

As far as value, they don't seem to lose value but they certainly don't increase in value due to the profile changing after 2 years.

Due to rarity MF's, UF4's, JD4's, OR #9 and T52 Pigs will continue to increase in value but regular production lines and Unicos do not.

Pro
dkeage Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 5:14 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
can we change your name?

Got any suggestions?n Whistle
shaun341 Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 5:19 PM EST
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I think Pro nailed it, I would just as well smoke a new release Liga as an OR and am not sure there is any extra value in them money wise being ORs. The rare stuff increases because it becomes even harder to get but the LP lines I wouldn't pay more for aged. Same with any Label though, I wouldn't pay extra for an aged Fuente WOAM compared to a new one but I would probably pay extra for a Sand Shark or rare Opus X size.
NoisyTutor Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 5:57 PM EST
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I agree that these are probably a little milder than when they first came out but they still look amazing.

As far as changing my name...I suppose I'm game. I used to teach Saxophone and play for 14 years...not very often anymore.

On another note. I love Cubans. Love em. I am curious though why Cuban tobacco always commands a higher price for age and these Nicaraguan sticks don't. Why is that. I know that you have to let your CC's rest to get through the sick period which most NC retailers do for you but beyond that why such a difference?
frankj1 Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 6:29 PM EST
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NoisyTutor wrote:
I agree that these are probably a little milder than when they first came out but they still look amazing.

As far as changing my name...I suppose I'm game. I used to teach Saxophone and play for 14 years...not very often anymore.

On another note. I love Cubans. Love em. I am curious though why Cuban tobacco always commands a higher price for age and these Nicaraguan sticks don't. Why is that. I know that you have to let your CC's rest to get through the sick period which most NC retailers do for you but beyond that why such a difference?


sorry, I meant change cameroon's name...isn't he the one with that funny shtick going on?
ZRX1200 Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2016, 6:48 PM EST
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Because most Cuban tobacco ages better.

It's all relative to tastes, but there's a lot of people who see it that way.

Nicaraguan tobacco is generally stronger and the blends usually age by lightning up on the power, and losing the rough edges. Cubans generally don't have the power that Nicaraguan cigars do. But, they can be harsh young (if they're green, what I mean is more and more Cuban cigars are using more pre-aged tobacco while rolling) and that time allows the harshness to subside while the profile that laid in wait is now ready.
euodias Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Oct 6 2016, 2:05 AM EST
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NoisyTutor wrote:

On another note. I love Cubans. Love em. I am curious though why Cuban tobacco always commands a higher price for age and these Nicaraguan sticks don't. Why is that. I know that you have to let your CC's rest to get through the sick period which most NC retailers do for you but beyond that why such a difference?

Couple of factors in my mind:

1) Cubans have been around long enough to have proven they consistently age well. Even the modern classics like tatuaje haven't had the chance to stand the test of time.

2) Cubans have box codes so you know how old a box is when you buy it. AF and padron have been around long enough that people know they age well. Unfortunately for us, they don't date their boxes, so it is difficult to verify age on them. If you had a box of hemingways you could prove was from the 80s I'm sure you could command a pretty penny.
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Oct 6 2016, 10:25 AM EST
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Fuente and Padron you can tell from some the age by the bands.
sd72 Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Oct 6 2016, 10:52 AM EST
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I personally wouldn't pay much of a premium for cigars known to age poorly, that are aged whatever the OR are. What is it, quite a few years since the release? I've also paid exhorbament amounts for cigars I had to have. If your happy with the price, then it's priced right.
SMOKEYOU Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Oct 6 2016, 12:24 PM EST
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OVERCHARGE OVERCHARGE OVERCHARGE OVERCHARGE OVERCHARGE OVERCHARGE OVERCHARGE OVERCHARGE
WHO CARES? THIS IS AMERICA. CAPITALIZE ON YOUR INVESTMENT.
Whistlebritches Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Oct 6 2016, 4:33 PM EST
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IMHO most all cigars improve from aging.However how much aging is the question.I have some domestically availables with over 5 YOA and they just get better,I have some Habano's in the 6-10 year range that some have improved greatly others slightly.My opinion on the value of your Liga's............I've had a couple with 2-3 YOA on them and my honest assessment is they were overpriced when you bought them and the age improvement still did not justify the initial price.I find them to be a decent cigar in the $5-8 range aged or otherwise.
KingoftheCove Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Oct 6 2016, 6:16 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
IMHO most all cigars improve from aging.However how much aging is the question.I have some domestically availables with over 5 YOA and they just get better,I have some Habano's in the 6-10 year range that some have improved greatly others slightly.My opinion on the value of your Liga's............I've had a couple with 2-3 YOA on them and my honest assessment is they were overpriced when you bought them and the age improvement still did not justify the initial price.I find them to be a decent cigar in the $5-8 range aged or otherwise.

Spoken like a true LFD ho.............err..........I mean hoarder.
dharbolt Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Oct 6 2016, 6:20 PM EST
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2 dollars
Whistlebritches Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 9:46 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Spoken like a true LFD ho.............err..........I mean hoarder.



You had me at ho
DBIII Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 11:17 AM EST
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dkeage wrote:
Got any suggestions?n Whistle


LMAO, instigate much?
Stinkdyr Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Oct 14 2016, 3:30 PM EST
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Paying more than $10 for any cigar is sucker territory.

Herfing
t33bone Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Oct 17 2016, 6:27 PM EST
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crgcpro wrote:
You may not like my answer but I'll give it anyway.

LP's are best smoked in under 2 years. This is my opinion, the opinion of most people that have smoked them for years, and also Steve Saka's opinion, who was behind the LP lines before he left the company.

As far as value, they don't seem to lose value but they certainly don't increase in value due to the profile changing after 2 years.

Due to rarity MF's, UF4's, JD4's, OR #9 and T52 Pigs will continue to increase in value but regular production lines and Unicos do not.

Pro

I concur. I find most of the LP's don't change much w age. Maybe most have lost that pep but decent flavor still. Just mt .02
t33bone Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Oct 17 2016, 6:27 PM EST
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crgcpro wrote:
You may not like my answer but I'll give it anyway.

LP's are best smoked in under 2 years. This is my opinion, the opinion of most people that have smoked them for years, and also Steve Saka's opinion, who was behind the LP lines before he left the company.

As far as value, they don't seem to lose value but they certainly don't increase in value due to the profile changing after 2 years.

Due to rarity MF's, UF4's, JD4's, OR #9 and T52 Pigs will continue to increase in value but regular production lines and Unicos do not.

Pro

I concur. I find most of the LP's don't change much w age. Maybe most have lost that pep but decent flavor still. Just mt .02
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