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tailgater Offline
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http://www.boston.com/business/news/2014/07/14/maxx-told-boston-marathon-bombing-survivor-leave-because-her-service-dog/RAXAIgWwqlNmUZZF3r9aVO/story.html?p1=Topopage:Carousel_lead_headline#comments

T.J. Maxx Told Boston Marathon Bombing Survivor To Leave Because of Her Service Dog

By Sara Morrison
Boston.com Staff
JULY 14, 2014 2:59 PM


Marathon bombing survivor Sydney Corcoran was asked to leave a New Hampshire T.J. Maxx last Thursday because, she said, the store manager said her service dog was violating store policy.

Corcoran, 19, was shopping in a Nashua T.J. Maxx with her service dog, Koda. Koda, Corcoran told WCVB, has been her “support system” as she continues to deal with post traumatic stress disorder from last year’s attack. According to Corcoran, Koda was wearing a blue vest that said “service dog” on it, yet the manager told her he had to be put in a cart. When Corcoran told the manager that Koda would not fit in a cart, she said she was told he would have to leave the store.

According to the American Disabilities Act: “A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken.”

Corcoran tweeted about the incident, saying she was “livid and embarrassed.” She also, WCVB said, called her mother, Celeste. Celeste, who lost both of her legs in the attacks, rushed over to the store and gave the manager a lesson in the American Disabilities Act, at which point the manager apologized.

Not good enough, Celeste said: “You should have known ... You just made someone with an emotional disorder so much worse.”

T.J. Maxx, which was one of the stores the Corcorans frequented as part of their “retail therapy” in a Boston Globe story last year, did not respond to multiple requests for comment. The store told WCVB: “We have looked into the particulars regarding this customer’s experience and deeply regret that our procedures were not appropriately followed in this instance. We are taking actions which we believe are appropriate, including working with our stores to reinforce the acceptance of service animals.”

On the Corcorans’ Facebook page, Celeste wrote that she hopes the incident “will educate ignorant people about service dog laws and the rights that service dog owners have.”



I have tremendous empathy for the Marathon survivors. But this is too much.
Couldn't the girl put the dog into the carriage? It's a poodle. Probably like the ride.
She has every right to have the dog with her. What's the harm putting it into the shopping cart? It's not a seeing eye dog. Hell, it would be closer to her so she could pet it.

This is somebody getting an additional 15 minutes.

But most frustrating are the 200+ comments.
Liberals having a circle jerk over the evil corporate manager.




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tailgater wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/news/2014/07/14/maxx-told-boston-marathon-bombing-survivor-leave-because-her-service-dog/RAXAIgWwqlNmUZZF3r9aVO/story.html?p1=Topopage:Carousel_lead_headline#comments

T.J. Maxx Told Boston Marathon Bombing Survivor To Leave Because of Her Service Dog

By Sara Morrison
Boston.com Staff
JULY 14, 2014 2:59 PM


Marathon bombing survivor Sydney Corcoran was asked to leave a New Hampshire T.J. Maxx last Thursday because, she said, the store manager said her service dog was violating store policy.

Corcoran, 19, was shopping in a Nashua T.J. Maxx with her service dog, Koda. Koda, Corcoran told WCVB, has been her “support system” as she continues to deal with post traumatic stress disorder from last year’s attack. According to Corcoran, Koda was wearing a blue vest that said “service dog” on it, yet the manager told her he had to be put in a cart. When Corcoran told the manager that Koda would not fit in a cart, she said she was told he would have to leave the store.

According to the American Disabilities Act: “A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken.”

Corcoran tweeted about the incident, saying she was “livid and embarrassed.” She also, WCVB said, called her mother, Celeste. Celeste, who lost both of her legs in the attacks, rushed over to the store and gave the manager a lesson in the American Disabilities Act, at which point the manager apologized.

Not good enough, Celeste said: “You should have known ... You just made someone with an emotional disorder so much worse.”

T.J. Maxx, which was one of the stores the Corcorans frequented as part of their “retail therapy” in a Boston Globe story last year, did not respond to multiple requests for comment. The store told WCVB: “We have looked into the particulars regarding this customer’s experience and deeply regret that our procedures were not appropriately followed in this instance. We are taking actions which we believe are appropriate, including working with our stores to reinforce the acceptance of service animals.”

On the Corcorans’ Facebook page, Celeste wrote that she hopes the incident “will educate ignorant people about service dog laws and the rights that service dog owners have.”



I have tremendous empathy for the Marathon survivors. But this is too much.
Couldn't the girl put the dog into the carriage? It's a poodle. Probably like the ride.
She has every right to have the dog with her. What's the harm putting it into the shopping cart? It's not a seeing eye dog. Hell, it would be closer to her so she could pet it.

This is somebody getting an additional 15 minutes.

But most frustrating are the 200+ comments.
Liberals having a circle jerk over the evil corporate manager.






She lost my sympathy at the point she tweeted. If she really wanted to wanted to address this, perhaps a call to her mother before she tweeted instead of after. It seems she sought her 15 minutes of fame first.

On a side note, I'm all for service animals that assist people with physical limitations, but, a poodle as a support system for PTSD? I don't get that. Perhaps I need to be educated.
tailgater Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
She lost my sympathy at the point she tweeted. If she really wanted to wanted to address this, perhaps a call to her mother before she tweeted instead of after. It seems she sought her 15 minutes of fame first.

On a side note, I'm all for service animals that assist people with physical limitations, but, a poodle as a support system for PTSD? I don't get that. Perhaps I need to be educated.



I am giving her the benefit of the doubt and I hope it helps her.
I just ask for her and her mother to use a little common sense.

Embarrassed?
Bull.
If it was embarrassment, would she take to the news about it?


And worst of all?
A friggin poodle.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Man.....





That's ruff
Mellow
Puffnstuff79 Offline
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These people were definitely barking up the wrong tree.
tailgater Offline
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It would have been worse if the poodle gave birth to puppies.
She would have been arrested for littering.


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I know someone who has a pug for a service animal. She has bipolar disorder. The dog is trained to look for signs of change that may require med changes etc.

I thought it was bs but watching if in person found it interesting.
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Here are my questions:

How many times in your life have you heard a story about someone being INAPPROPRIATELY asked to remove their service dog from an establishment?

How many times in your life have you heard a story about someone being APPROPRIATELY asked to remove their service dog from an establishment?

Why would anybody ask someone with a dog - no matter what kind of dog - with a "service dog" vest on, to leave any establishment? does the store manager live in a cave? what could they have possibly thought the outcome of this would be?
ZRX1200 Offline
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She should have said it was from Honduras.
victor809 Offline
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Here in SF a ton of people get their damn dogs registered as service animals ... They abuse the system to make sure they can get apartments that may not allow dogs or whatever.

I'm skeptical in the first place that this is even a service animal.

For all we know she was "in" the marathon a mile awayand saw nothing.
DrafterX Offline
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CROS' service coyote ran away.... Sad
teedubbya Offline
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After it are his legs
teedubbya Offline
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After it ate his legs
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I agree with the service dogs for physical disabilities. A "support system" service dog for PTSD?

Sorry... I'm calling bullshlt. Take some fuggin prozac or something. Just because you want to be able to take your stupid lap dog with you wherever you go doesn't mean you have a disability, aside from being intellectually challenged.

Now.... kindly STFU and get out of the store.
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I was unaware that this was a partisan issue.

actually, I was unaware that there was an issue at all.
victor809 Offline
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^agreed...
Didn't know I had to choose an opinion on this based on politics.

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all poodles are liberals.... except for some of those big ones... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
all poodles are liberals.... except for some of those big ones... Mellow

ya, those are communists...
DrafterX Offline
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Those Bassards..!! Mad
frankj1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
all poodles are liberals.... except for some of those big ones... Mellow

yeah, I guess, what them being French and all.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
^agreed...
Didn't know I had to choose an opinion on this based on politics.



Read the comments.

tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Here in SF a ton of people get their damn dogs registered as service animals ... They abuse the system to make sure they can get apartments that may not allow dogs or whatever.

I'm skeptical in the first place that this is even a service animal.

For all we know she was "in" the marathon a mile awayand saw nothing.


She was with her mother who lost both legs.
I assume her condition is legit. And the dog probably helps.
I'm good with that.

I just don't see how putting it in the carriage would lessen it's ability to calm her. If anything, it should help because she can pet it while she shops.

Then she over reacts, claims she's too embarrassed to put the dog in the cart but not too embarrassed to tell the world?

And now it's the bleeding hearts vs. corporate america.
It's not even about the manager, but about the company who employs her.
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Take a lesson, fellas.

As this plays out you will see that the store violated the disabled woman's right to shop freely in their store without harassment, with her service animal.

They will pay dearly once the ADA folks (attorneys) get through with them.

When it comes down to ADA issues, if businesses offer any push back, they will lose.

It doesn't matter what we may think of it, at all.

It is the law.

Where has this manager been for the last 20-30 years?

The only intelligent thing for a business person to say to such a customer is, Welcome to our store. How may I assist you today, Maam?
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This appears to be her 15 minutes of fame. When there are 200 far left nut jobs commenting on this it is not a liberal mind set. This would be similar to calling all priests pedofiles due to a very limited number that are, or calling all gun owners mass murderers because a limited number are. Most liberals will see this for what it is, breaking the law. They will not be outraged by it.
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She should have sheltered in place.
tailgater Offline
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gryphonms wrote:
This appears to be her 15 minutes of fame. When there are 200 far left nut jobs commenting on this it is not a liberal mind set. This would be similar to calling all priests pedofiles due to a very limited number that are, or calling all gun owners mass murderers because a limited number are. Most liberals will see this for what it is, breaking the law. They will not be outraged by it.


Regarding your two examples, you wouldn't find a right wing element leaving the vast majority of comments in favor of the pedo-priests nor the mass murderer.

THAT'S why this is a liberal thing.

NOT the act itself.
gryphonms Offline
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The 1st act was leaving comments. The second act was being a pedofile. The third act was being a mass murderer. So for the second and third acts there was no consideration of comments. Also I am not trying to trivialize pedofiles or mass murderers which are heinous criminals. My point was a small segment of a group does not justify inclusion of all of the group.

200 nut job liberals do not speak for liberals as a whole. They are not a vast majority of liberals. In fact I am in agreement with you, that specific group of liberals is making amountain out of a molehill. My only disagreement with you is your title, the liberal mindset. To me this implies all liberals which I believe is incorrect. If you had stated the far left liberal mindset I would agree with you. They are extremists with agenda's that do not represent liberals as a whole.
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Just like how the vast majority of the left say teaparty members are racists when one plant at a rally has a racist sign he's carrying.....
tailgater Offline
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gryphonms wrote:
The 1st act was leaving comments. The second act was being a pedofile. The third act was being a mass murderer. So for the second and third acts there was no consideration of comments. Also I am not trying to trivialize pedofiles or mass murderers which are heinous criminals. My point was a small segment of a group does not justify inclusion of all of the group.

200 nut job liberals do not speak for liberals as a whole. They are not a vast majority of liberals. In fact I am in agreement with you, that specific group of liberals is making amountain out of a molehill. My only disagreement with you is your title, the liberal mindset. To me this implies all liberals which I believe is incorrect. If you had stated the far left liberal mindset I would agree with you. They are extremists with agenda's that do not represent liberals as a whole.


Actually, I did mean all (or most) liberals.

Those comments are indicative of their mindset.

Show me a liberal (or hell, even a democrat) that thinks this girl wasn't justified in her reaction.
Who thinks that TJ Maxx doesn't need to retrain their employees in regards to service animals.

tailgater Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Just like how the vast majority of the left say teaparty members are racists when one plant at a rally has a racist sign he's carrying.....


You say racist like it's a bad thing...
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tailgater wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/news/2014/07/14/maxx-told-boston-marathon-bombing-survivor-leave-because-her-service-dog/RAXAIgWwqlNmUZZF3r9aVO/story.html?p1=Topopage:Carousel_lead_headline#comments

T.J. Maxx Told Boston Marathon Bombing Survivor To Leave Because of Her Service Dog

By Sara Morrison
Boston.com Staff
JULY 14, 2014 2:59 PM


Marathon bombing survivor Sydney Corcoran was asked to leave a New Hampshire T.J. Maxx last Thursday because, she said, the store manager said her service dog was violating store policy.

Corcoran, 19, was shopping in a Nashua T.J. Maxx with her service dog, Koda. Koda, Corcoran told WCVB, has been her “support system” as she continues to deal with post traumatic stress disorder from last year’s attack. According to Corcoran, Koda was wearing a blue vest that said “service dog” on it, yet the manager told her he had to be put in a cart. When Corcoran told the manager that Koda would not fit in a cart, she said she was told he would have to leave the store.

According to the American Disabilities Act: “A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken.”

Corcoran tweeted about the incident, saying she was “livid and embarrassed.” She also, WCVB said, called her mother, Celeste. Celeste, who lost both of her legs in the attacks, rushed over to the store and gave the manager a lesson in the American Disabilities Act, at which point the manager apologized.

Not good enough, Celeste said: “You should have known ... You just made someone with an emotional disorder so much worse.”

T.J. Maxx, which was one of the stores the Corcorans frequented as part of their “retail therapy” in a Boston Globe story last year, did not respond to multiple requests for comment. The store told WCVB: “We have looked into the particulars regarding this customer’s experience and deeply regret that our procedures were not appropriately followed in this instance. We are taking actions which we believe are appropriate, including working with our stores to reinforce the acceptance of service animals.”

On the Corcorans’ Facebook page, Celeste wrote that she hopes the incident “will educate ignorant people about service dog laws and the rights that service dog owners have.”



I have tremendous empathy for the Marathon survivors. But this is too much.
Couldn't the girl put the dog into the carriage? It's a poodle. Probably like the ride.
She has every right to have the dog with her. What's the harm putting it into the shopping cart? It's not a seeing eye dog. Hell, it would be closer to her so she could pet it.

This is somebody getting an additional 15 minutes.

But most frustrating are the 200+ comments.
Liberals having a circle jerk over the evil corporate manager.



In addition to having a poodle as an emotional support system for PTSD, WTF is "retail therapy?"

Do you get a prescription for it? Ya know, like a stack of gift cards....

...and stuff
gryphonms Offline
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Then this is a matter of opinion. I do not agree with the generalization of liberals, though I can accept and understand that you think I am wrong. This is the very nature of debating an issue.

As to the main issue, I think the answer is to improve the law. I would be offended if they had told a blind person they had to put their service dog in a cart or leave. This only makes me shake my head and laugh.
gryphonms Offline
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From what I have read service animals for PTSD is questionable at best. You never really get over the PTSD. You will always need the service animal. There are much more effective therapys.
gryphonms Offline
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I think all women enjoy retail therapy. In my world it is called shopping. No perscription needed, just a credit card.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
In addition to having a poodle as an emotional support system for PTSD, WTF is "retail therapy?"

Do you get a prescription for it? Ya know, like a stack of gift cards....

...and stuff



+1 WTF is "retail therapy" or is it "retail the rapy"? Sarcasm
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gryphonms wrote:


As to the main issue, I think the answer is to improve the law. .



There's the liberal mindset..... Let's make more laws....d'oh!

Not talking Not talking Not talking
gryphonms Offline
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How do you interprete improve the law to mean add more laws? That does not make sense. There would be no more or less laws. When a law is flawed the flaw needs to be corrected. Does that make sense to you?
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tailgater wrote:
Actually, I did mean all (or most) liberals.

Those comments are indicative of their mindset.

Show me a liberal (or hell, even a democrat) that thinks this girl wasn't justified in her reaction.
Who thinks that TJ Maxx doesn't need to retrain their employees in regards to service animals.



I get called a liberal here all the time.

I still want more info.
Was her dog wearing its "service dog vest"?
Did the manager ask her for evidence that the dog was a service dog? If she can't provide evidence, then the company doesn't have to let it in.

And I'm still on the fence on whether having a dog as a service animal is a valid therapy for PTSD.
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gryphonms wrote:
How do you interprete improve the law to mean add more laws? That does not make sense. There would be no more or less laws. When a law is flawed the flaw needs to be corrected. Does that make sense to you?



Have you even read the law..?? Huh
tailgater Offline
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gryphonms wrote:
Then this is a matter of opinion. I do not agree with the generalization of liberals, though I can accept and understand that you think I am wrong. This is the very nature of debating an issue.

As to the main issue, I think the answer is to improve the law. I would be offended if they had told a blind person they had to put their service dog in a cart or leave. This only makes me shake my head and laugh.


I think you're wrong. Opinion, perhaps, but you go on to prove my point.

This 19 year old adult was asked to put her poodle into her shopping carriage.
This was considered unreasonable to her and she felt embarrassed.
So now you want to "improve" the LAW?

As for the blind person??
This is were you liberals lose the battle. Common sense tells us that a store manager would not have the blind lady put a seeing eye dog into a cart, because it would no longer serve a function.
The fact that you think this is the obvious result of how a PTSD poodle is handled tells me everything I need to know.

Thank you.

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tailgater wrote:
I think you're wrong. Opinion, perhaps, but you go on to prove my point.

This 19 year old adult was asked to put her poodle into her shopping carriage.
This was considered unreasonable to her and she felt embarrassed.
So now you want to "improve" the LAW?

As for the blind person??
This is were you liberals lose the battle. Common sense tells us that a store manager would not have the blind lady put a seeing eye dog into a cart, because it would no longer serve a function.
The fact that you think this is the obvious result of how a PTSD poodle is handled tells me everything I need to know.

Thank you.



But here's a point where you're wrong Tail...
If the store manager isn't going to ask a blind person to put their dog in the cart, why are they asking her?

I mean, I'll question whether she should have a service dog at all. And I'll question whether she had the proper documentation to prove the dog was a service dog....
But if all the documentation, doggy-vests, etc, etc are in order... then why would the store manager think that they have the authority to determine whether one service dog can perform its function walking on the floor, but the other can perform its function in a cart.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
I get called a liberal here all the time.

I still want more info.
Was her dog wearing its "service dog vest"?
Did the manager ask her for evidence that the dog was a service dog? If she can't provide evidence, then the company doesn't have to let it in.

And I'm still on the fence on whether having a dog as a service animal is a valid therapy for PTSD.


I believe the dog was wearing the vest.
No mention of the manager asking for credentials. The fact that she was willing to let the dog in the store (in the cart) tells us she accepted it as a service dog.

As for the PTSD effect, I don't think that's for us to decide, and is besides the point.



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victor809 wrote:
But here's a point where you're wrong Tail...
If the store manager isn't going to ask a blind person to put their dog in the cart, why are they asking her?

I mean, I'll question whether she should have a service dog at all. And I'll question whether she had the proper documentation to prove the dog was a service dog....
But if all the documentation, doggy-vests, etc, etc are in order... then why would the store manager think that they have the authority to determine whether one service dog can perform its function walking on the floor, but the other can perform its function in a cart.



Maybe the poodle pissed all over somethin.... Mellow
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victor809 wrote:
But here's a point where you're wrong Tail...
If the store manager isn't going to ask a blind person to put their dog in the cart, why are they asking her?

I mean, I'll question whether she should have a service dog at all. And I'll question whether she had the proper documentation to prove the dog was a service dog....
But if all the documentation, doggy-vests, etc, etc are in order... then why would the store manager think that they have the authority to determine whether one service dog can perform its function walking on the floor, but the other can perform its function in a cart.


Here's a newsflash for you Vic:
Humans can use common sense.

This is why I am so appalled at the negative reaction to the manager.
She assessed the situation:
Dog in store = not allowed.
Service Dog = OK
But what service does this dog provide? It's not for mobility or guidance. It's to sooth and calm.
So what better way then to lift the dog closer to the girl?
Added bonus: It removes the "issue" of having a dog in the store.

It would have truly been a win-win.
Except for the fame grubbing young adult.

gryphonms Offline
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You misunderstood what I meant by improve the law. What I meant was common sense to me would dictate that TJMAX did nothing wrong. Anyone who thinks they did is an idiot. Unfortunately they broke the law the way it is written. So let's remove what the part that caused TJMAX to break the law as it is now written. My point about the blind person was that portion of the law is good. I do not expect any store to deny a blind person their service dog, but if they did that should be against the law.
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Have you read the law..?? Huh
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Yes, have you? The TJMAX manager asked something that seems quite reasonable, yet she was technically breaking the law as it is written. You seem to be having trouble following my line of thought. Perhaps you could offer an alternative suggestion?
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tailgater wrote:
Here's a newsflash for you Vic:
Humans can use common sense.

This is why I am so appalled at the negative reaction to the manager.
She assessed the situation:
Dog in store = not allowed.
Service Dog = OK
But what service does this dog provide? It's not for mobility or guidance. It's to sooth and calm.
So what better way then to lift the dog closer to the girl?
Added bonus: It removes the "issue" of having a dog in the store.

It would have truly been a win-win.
Except for the fame grubbing young adult.



Wrong.

If you accept (which I assume you do, as you said it):
"As for the PTSD effect, I don't think that's for us to decide, and is besides the point."

Then you have to accept that the method by which it has the effect isn't for us to decide. I personally would not be too inclined to believe a dog helps, but if you are going to say you can't decide whether it helps, then you can't decide the mechanism. Perhaps having the dog lead the way is integral to her PTSD problems.... it makes her feel more secure that it'll blow up first.

It's like saying "I'm gonna let you take Immodium to cure your diarrhea, but you have to stick it up your butt... that should work better right? It's closer to the problem.
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gryphonms wrote:
Yes, have you? The TJMAX manager asked something that seems quite reasonable, yet she was technically breaking the law as it is written. You seem to be having trouble following my line of thought. Perhaps you could offer an alternative suggestion?



nope.. I didn't read it.. but I'm not hollering to change it... I just wanted to make sure you did.. now, whether you interpretted the law correctly is a whole nother matter... Mellow
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victor809 wrote:
Wrong.

If you accept (which I assume you do, as you said it):
"As for the PTSD effect, I don't think that's for us to decide, and is besides the point."

Then you have to accept that the method by which it has the effect isn't for us to decide. I personally would not be too inclined to believe a dog helps, but if you are going to say you can't decide whether it helps, then you can't decide the mechanism. Perhaps having the dog lead the way is integral to her PTSD problems.... it makes her feel more secure that it'll blow up first.

It's like saying "I'm gonna let you take Immodium to cure your diarrhea, but you have to stick it up your butt... that should work better right? It's closer to the problem.




it's always about da butt with you huh.... Not talking
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