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SmokingGuns Offline
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"Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce, and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate." — James A. Garfield, 20th U.S. president, two weeks before he was assassinated in 1881 [-o<
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SmokingGuns wrote:
"Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce, and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate." — James A. Garfield, 20th U.S. president, two weeks before he was assassinated in 1881 Pray





Do you really believe it to be true that: 1) onetary volume is easily controlled by a few; and 2) Inflation and depression in our country are caused by the same few?Think
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Robert, it is absolutely correct. Once we abandoned the gold standard and allowed a private bank to print and regulate our currency, we put the economic fate of our country into the hands of a very small number of people.
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So, let’s band together and protect the rich!
At least the conservatives and republicans know who owns them and show some respect for their masters!
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Boo-hoo.....class warfare.

What is Nancy Pelosi's net worth?

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Wow. It only took five or six posts for this thread to go downhill. :(
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Poor people smell bad...
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rfenst wrote:
Wow. It only took five or six posts for this thread to go downhill. :(



Only 3 posts.
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Read about The Panic of 1907. Even before the creation of the Federal Reserve (which was inspired by the incident) the country's financial fate was in the end controlled by a few powerful people at the top, in that case JP Morgan himself. I think all the anti-Fed people forget that.
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People need to study up on 2 President's in regard to this matter.

Andrew Jackson and John F Kennedy.

Study up on them especially in regards to Central Banking/Federal Reserve and get back to me on the outcomes of both.
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Apparently there were constant battles for control of the republic between the international bankers and presidents. Controlling the central bank of a country seems to be a crucial part of installing a dictatorship. Allen wrote, "From the earliest days, the Founding Fathers had been conscious of attempts to control America through money manipulation, and they carried on a running battle with the international bankers."

"Essential to controlling a government is the establishment of a central bank with a monopoly on the country's supply of money and credit," wrote Perloff. Meyer Rothschild is said to have remarked, "Let me issue and control a nation's money, and I care not who writes its laws." Allen concurred, "All those who have sought dictatorial control over modern nations have understood the necessity of a central bank. When the League of Just Men hired a hack revolutionary named Karl Marx to write a blueprint for conquest called The Communist Manifesto, the fifth plank read: "Centralization of credit in the hands of the state... Lenin later said that the establishment of a central bank was ninety percent of communizing a country."

Senator Barry Goldwater described an international banker as one who makes money by extending credit to governments. This is more beneficial to the banker than loaning to an individual because governments borrow much more, and they can guarantee repayment by burdening the people with taxes. Also, instead of debt payment, a banker may receive political influence. Perloff wrote, "No turn of events is more lucrative for an international banker than war--because nothing generates more government borrowing faster."
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It's Jerry Jones and George Steinbrenner's fault
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Apparently the international bankers became impatient over the unwillingness of congress to accept a central bank. So using the Problem-Reaction-Solution formula, Wall Street deliberately created a panic to force congress to create a central banking system controlled by private interests. This was done to eliminate competition and to seize control of the country by way of the Federal Reserve System.

Perloff wrote, "The Panic of 1907 was artificially triggered to elicit public acceptance of this idea. Snowballing bank runs began after J.P. Morgan spread a rumor about the insolvency of the Trust Company of America." He added, "Tragedy is the mother of new directions. The Panic of 1907 spawned the Federal Reserve."

Allen described J. P. Morgan as "an old hand at creating artificial panics." He stated, "Such affairs were well co-coordinated. Senator Robert Owen, a co-author of the Federal Reserve Act, (who later deeply regretted his role), testified before a Congressional Committee that the bank he owned received from the National Bankers' Association what came to be know as the Panic Circular of 1893. It established: 'You will at once retire one-third of your circulation and call in one-half of your loans.'"
The Financial Elite's control of History, Media, & Academia
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borndead1 wrote:
Robert, it is absolutely correct. Once we abandoned the gold standard and allowed a private bank to print and regulate our currency, we put the economic fate of our country into the hands of a very small number of people.


AUDIT THE FED!!!!!
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surfish1961 wrote:
AUDIT THE FED!!!!!



Ron Paul's amendment was close and raised recognization to the issue but failed on the floor.

This is the ONLY issue that the buffoon from FL...Rep Grayson and I share common ground on. He attacked the Fed as well to how they don't even know what or where they have accounting issues. It was comedic gold but the sadness was it isn't funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj0JAfq4esk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NYBTkE1yQ



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlmXUiEgNO8
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14. That's a bunch of crap. Have you studied the Panic of 1907 in detail? I'm guessing not. There were so many factors that led up to it, starting with the big earthquake in San Francisco in 1906 that drained gold reserves and caused insurance company failures, a failed attempt to corner the stock of United Copper which led to the downfall of a major bank, and a general decline in business and an increase in bankruptcies as a result of all this. The Dow Jones Industrial Average had fallen by 40% before The Trust Company of America got into trouble. Moreover, Morgan helped prevent the failure of The Trust Company of America. If his real goal was a panic, why didn't he let it fail? Finally, there is no proof to the misguided opinion that JP Morgan engineered a panic. He actually had a history of soliving them, the most prominent of which before 1907 was the Panic of 1893.

It's fine and understandable to be distrustful of government, but it's bad to be wrong on historical facts.
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Friend there is always 2 sides to a story, the sanitized one that they teach you in school and tells you JP Morgan was our savior, that the panic was triggered by an earthquake, and the other dark side,have a look at this http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/zeitgeist-transcript-part-3
if you are interested i can supply you with many documents.

“[Our] Great Industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.. who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.”
“We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world –no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.”
-Woodrow Wilson


Congressman Louis McFadden also expressed the truth after the passage of the bill:

“A world banking system was being set up here… a superstate controlled by international bankers.. acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure. The FED has usurped the government.”

Now, the public was told that the Federal Reserve System was economic stabilizer and inflation and economic crises were thing of the past. Well, as history has shown, nothing was further from the truth. The fact is, the international bankers now had a streamline machine to expand their personal ambitions,
For example, from 1914 to 1919 the Fed increased the money supply by nearly 100% resulting in extensive loans to small banks and the public. Then, in 1920 the Fed called in mass percentages of the outstanding money supply. Thus resulting in the supporting banks having to call in huge numbers of loans and just like 1907, bank runs, bankruptcy and collapse occurred. Over 5.400 competitive banks outside of the Federal Reserve System collapsed further consolidating the monopoly of the small group of international bankers.
Privy to this crime, Congressman Lindbergh stepped up and said in 1921:

“Under the Federal Reserve Act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic is the first scientifically created one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation.” –Charles Lindbergh

However, the panic of 1920 was just a warm-up. From 1921 to 1929 the Fed again increased the money supply resulting once again in extensive loans to the public and banks. There was also a fairly new type of loan called the margin loan in the stock market. Very simply, the margin loan allowed an investor to put down only 10% of the stock's price with the other 90% being loaned from the broker. In other words, a person could own a $1000 worth of stock, with only a $100 down. This method was very popular in the roaring 1920's as everyone seemed to be making money in the market. However, there was a catch to this loan. It could be called in at any time and had to be paid within 24 hours. This is termed "a margin call", and a typical result of a margin call was the selling of the stock purchased with the loan. So, a few months before October in 1929, J.D.Rockefeller, Bernard Baruch and other insiders quietly exited the market. And on October 24th, 1929 the New York financiers who furnished the margin loans started calling them in, in mass. This sparked an instantaneous massive sell off in the market for everyone who had to cover the margin loans. It then triggered a mass bank runs for the same reason, in turn collapsing over 16.000 banks enabling the conspiring international bankers to not only buy up rival banks at the discount but to also buy up whole corporations at pennies on the dollar. It was the greatest robbery in American history. But that didn't stop there. Rather then expanding the money supply which were recovered from this economic collapse the Fed actually contracted it, fueling one of the largest depressions in history. Once again outraged, Congressman Louis McFadden, a long time opponent of the banking cartels began bringing impeachment proceedings against the Federal Reserve Board. Saying of the crash and depression:

“It was a carefully contrived occurrence, international bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair, so that they might emerge the rulers of us all.”
-Louis McFadden

Not surprisingly, and after two previous assassination attempts, McFadden was poisoned at a banquet before he could push for the impeachment.
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Nice C&P smoking guns.

Zeitgeist: the Movie is a 2007 documentary film by Peter Joseph that asserts a number of ideas, including an artificial, mythological origin of Christianity, alternate theories for the parties responsible for the September 11th attacks, and finally, that a cabal of international bankers have been manipulating the international monetary system and the media in order to consolidate power under a unified world government.


Wait... but there's more. All this and the UN will be taking over the world with blue hat armies.


Tired conspiracy theory is for weak minds.
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The weak minds sir are the ones that believe what they are told on the main stream media and shape their opinions on nothing more than that, do you realize that all those quotes are verified , authentic, made by people who where involved in the decision making at that time, some of them gave their lives for this country and for the truth, any way those tactic you are using are known, just debate the message don't attack the messenger.
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18.

Unless you can dispute or counter the facts I laid out in post 17, your C&P as a response is irrelevant. I've heard all sorts of conspiracy theories...was very open to them at one time...but after a lot of research found most of them to be incredible (that's a whole other discussion). No banking system is perfect, and I'm hardly saying the Fed is, but it's way off the mark, and unsupported by facts, to claim The Panic of 1907 was artifically engineered to create the Fed. And the Fed has hardly "seized control of the country" since it was created, not to mention that the members of the Fed are a revolving door of people who simply cannot be a part of the conspiracy. There is no compelling proof for this set of beliefs.
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I have a cousin who believes that we are all monitored by the gov't. through our TV sets .... thus he does not have one .....

OP - is that you Donny????

c3s
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the Fed has hardly "seized control of the country" since it was created, not to mention that the members of the Fed are a revolving door of people who simply cannot be a part of the conspiracy.
It is like you know them in person but anyway it is hopeless since you think that what i posted is useless, in yours last post you didn't lay no fact you just toasted all my proves out of the window simply cause you are done with conspiracy theories and you think that all of them is bs,what an argument?
cause you think that what i provided is a bunch of crap, that you are the only one who knows the true reasons of this historical event cause you studied it in depth, the rest are the effect of that panic sir not the causes, if the earthquake theories is true we would of seen a big collapse right after Catrina for example, there is so much you need to go learn before giving you full trust in wall street and the Feds sir, go read about Gold and silver prices manipulation, the house market bubble ect , the conspiracy theories that you reached are probably related to big foot and UFOs, any way im done talking to you cause like i said since you trust the Fads so much it is hopeless, by the way they have nothing federal in them cause they are a private bank and those 14T$ in dept you owe it to them mister.
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SmokingGuns wrote:
The weak minds sir are the ones that believe what they are told on the main stream media and shape their opinions on nothing more than that, do you realize that all those quotes are verified , authentic, made by people who where involved in the decision making at that time, some of them gave their lives for this country and for the truth, any way those tactic you are using are known, just debate the message don't attack the messenger.



Why would I debate a message that is incoherant and made of bits and pieces of random assumptions.

There is nothing to debate. Your source is a work of science fiction, with loosely strung together quotes, tales, and theory's. I have worked for the government for far too many years to actually believe there is the capability of conspiracy.

The "government" is incapable of large scale conspiracy's. What they are capable of is, large scale INCOMPETENCIES.

Don't try and be a martyr by crying foul, and the quit attacking me BS. If you believe that piece of science fiction is 100% true, then you are a fool. Nothing to debate.
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23.

I don't know Fed members personally, but my next door neighbor knows and works for the former chairman of the Atlanta Fed, a large homebuilder (his bio: http://www.pba.org/programming/programs/lexusleader/506/). This guy has been a homebuilder since 1970 and has gone back full time into that business, hardly the path of someone who was part of a conspiracy to take control of the country via the Fed.

You said: "in yours last post you didn't lay no fact you just toasted all my proves out of the window simply cause you are done with conspiracy theories..." I laid out a series of facts in post 17 that you have completely glossed over and come back with unsubstantiated theories, so you are wrong to say I laid out no facts. And you are also wrong in saying I trust the "Fads" so much. They can and do make mistakes at the Federal Reserve Board, but that's not because it's a group of people whose goal is to control the country. Is Alan Greenspan on an island somewhere living the high life after controlling the country for all those years? There's absolutely no proof for this theory. Who specifically are the beneficiaries of the conspiracy? And I want names.
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The Federal Reserve Bank is a consortium of twelve private banks which are not part of the United States Government.

These private banks purchase paper notes from the U.S. mint for printing cost or simply enter digital money into their computer then lend back the money plus interest to the people through member banks. The profits go into the share holders of the bank's pocket's, the U.S. public receives no benefit.

The Primary Owners of the Federal Reserve Bank Are:
1. Rothschild's of London and Berlin
2. Lazard Brothers of Paris
3. Israel Moses Seaf of Italy
4. Kuhn, Loeb & Co. of Germany and New York
5. Warburg & Company of Hamburg, Germany
6. Lehman Brothers of New York
7. Goldman, Sachs of New York
8. Rockefeller Brothers of New York
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On June 4, 1963, President Kennedy signed a Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110. This order virtually stripped the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Government at interest. President Kennedy declared the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. This order gave the Treasury Department the authority to issue silver certificates against any silver in the treasury. This executive order still stands today. In less than five months after signing that executive order President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963.
The United States Notes (silver certificates) he had issued were taken out of circulation immediately. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of this nation. It is estimated that 99% of all U.S. paper currency circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes.

Those almost 14 Trillions in debt didn't come out of thin air it was borrowed from these people and it needs to be paid back.Ask yourself a very important question WHO LENDS MONEY TO THE US GOVERNMENT then start researching and you will see all the facts i stated.
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Nine American Presidents have been the targets of assassination:- Andrew Jackson in 1835 (opposed a private national bank), Abraham Lincoln in 1865 (opposed a private national bank), James Garfield in 1881 (opposed a private national bank), William McKinley in 1901, Harry S. Truman in 1950, John F. Kennedy in 1963 (opposed a private national bank), Richard Nixon in 1974, Gerald Ford twice in 1975, and Ronald Reagan in 1981 (opposed a private national bank):
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First RICKAMAVEN, now Ricky Ricardo. More loons.

Robertknyc, I commend your effort, but this dude is misinformed and brainwashed,.... or is it US? [que Twilight Zone music]
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Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, perhaps the most respected financial columnist in the U.K., recently penned an article entitled "Shut Down the Fed (Part II)" in which he absolutely lambasted Bernanke and other Federal Reserve officials for considering another round of quantitative easing....

I apologize to readers around the world for having defended the emergency stimulus policies of the US Federal Reserve, and for arguing like an imbecile naif that the Fed would not succumb to drug addiction, political abuse, and mad intoxicated debauchery, once it began taking its first shots of quantitative easing.

In fact, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is now openly accusing the Federal Reserve of being out of control....

So all those hillsmen in Idaho, with their Colt 45s and boxes of krugerrands, who sent furious emails to the Telegraph accusing me of defending a hyperinflating establishment cabal were right all along. The Fed is indeed out of control.

On behalf of those who believe that the Federal Reserve is "a hyperinflating establishment cabal", I accept Ambrose Evans-Pritchard's apology.

The truth is that the Federal Reserve is out of control.

The Federal Reserve system was designed to get the U.S. government into a perpetually expanding spiral of debt. Wealth is slowly but surely transferred from the American people to the U.S. government (when we pay taxes) and ultimately into the hands of those who own U.S. government debt.

As long as the Federal Reserve system exists, U.S. government debt will keep going up, the value of the U.S. dollar will keep going down and wealth will be slowly transferred into the hands of the ultra-wealthy.

And why in the world would the American people allow an unelected, privately-owned central bank to run the U.S. economy, control the money supply, set interest rates and print all U.S. currency?

It simply does not make any sense.

The Federal Reserve has not been shy about declaring that it is "not an agency" of the U.S. government and not directly accountable to the American people.

So why do the American people put up with this kind of nonsense?

The truth is that the Federal Reserve has become far too powerful. U.S. Representative Ron Paul recently told MSNBC that he believes that the Federal Reserve is actually more powerful than Congress.....

"The regulations should be on the Federal Reserve. We should have transparency of the Federal Reserve. They can create trillions of dollars to bail out their friends, and we don’t even have any transparency of this. They’re more powerful than the Congress."

The truth is that the U.S. economy will never be fundamentally "fixed" simply by electing another "Bush" or another "Obama". Something needs to be done about the Federal Reserve system, but right now our politicians in Washington can't even muster enough support to pass a bill to audit the Fed.
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First RICKAMAVEN, now Ricky Ricardo. More loons.

Robertknyc, I commend your effort, but this dude is misinformed and brainwashed,.... or is it US? [que Twilight Zone music]

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, it is an acknowledgment that his arguments are both impossible to answer and impossible to ignore." —JBR Yant
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gringococolo wrote:

The "government" is incapable of large scale conspiracy's. What they are capable of is, large scale INCOMPETENCIES.

Bingo.

What I can see our Federal government doing extremely well for about the past 100 years is mobilizing large numbers of men and women into the armed forces and support groups, efficiently concentrating our manufacturing and technological base to create war materiel, and defeating a foreign enemy.

That, and spending taxpayer's money like it's only fancy paper.
Oh, wait...it is only fancy paper.
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SmokingGuns wrote:
"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, it is an acknowledgment that his arguments are both impossible to answer and impossible to ignore." —JBR Yant



Review: The mortal words of J.B.R. Yant and other irritations

"If you like your philosophy masquerading as one-liners which are humorous, yet serious, then John Bryant's book [Mortal Words] is perfect for you. The author has come up with a most entertaining way to deliver his views on sex, men and women, politics, death, finances and many other subjects which interest all of us. ... There's a lot of good stuff [in Mortal Words] to be "borrowed" for speeches, conversations and writing." -- Larry Lawrence, Book Editor, Abilene Reporter-News,, 31 January 1988


I have made no attempt to silence you. There is no point in discrediting you, because you have not actually provided anything to discredit.

You actually haven't formed a single intelligent sentence of your own volition.

You are the boards newest troll. Contgrats. Dancing



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P.S. Audit the Fed. I agree with that.
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The mother of all insider trades was pulled off in 1815, when London financier Nathan Rothschild led British investors to believe that the Duke of Wellington had lost to Napoleon at the Battle of Waterloo. In a matter of hours, British government bond prices plummeted. Rothschild, who had advance information, then swiftly bought up the entire market in government bonds, acquiring a dominant holding in England’s debt for pennies on the pound. Over the course of the nineteenth century, N. M. Rothschild would become the biggest bank in the world, and the five brothers would come to control most of the foreign-loan business of Europe. “Let me issue and control a nation’s money,” Rothschild boasted in 1838, “and I care not who writes its laws.”

In the United States a century later, John Pierpont Morgan again used rumor and innuendo to create a panic that would change the course of history. The panic of 1907 was triggered by rumors that two major banks were about to become insolvent. Later evidence pointed to the House of Morgan as the source of the rumors. The public, believing the rumors, proceeded to make them come true by staging a run on the banks. Morgan then nobly stepped in to avert the panic by importing $100 million in gold from his European sources. The public thus became convinced that the country needed a central banking system to stop future panics, overcoming strong congressional opposition to any bill allowing the nation’s money to be issued by a private central bank controlled by Wall Street; and the Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913. Morgan created the conditions for the Act’s passage, but it was Paul Warburg who pulled it off. An immigrant from Germany, Warburg was a partner of Kuhn, Loeb, the Rothschilds’ main American banking operation since the Civil War. Elisha Garrison, an agent of Brown Brothers bankers, wrote in his 1931 book Roosevelt, Wilson and the Federal Reserve Law that “Paul Warburg is the man who got the Federal Reserve Act together after the Aldrich Plan aroused such nationwide resentment and opposition. The mastermind of both plans was Baron Alfred Rothschild of London.” Morgan, too, is now widely believed to have been Rothschild’s agent in the United States. 1

Robert Owens, a co-author of the Federal Reserve Act, later testified before Congress that the banking industry had conspired to create a series of financial panics in order to rouse the people to demand “reforms” that served the interests of the financiers. A century later, JPMorgan Chase & Co. (now one of the two largest banks in the United States) may have pulled this ruse off again, again changing the course of history. “Remember Friday March 14, 2008,” wrote Martin Wolf in The Financial Times; “it was the day the dream of global free-market capitalism died.”

Those Who Do Not Learn From History Are DOOMED To Repeat It!
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You actually haven't formed a single intelligent sentence of your own volition

Take a look at all the intelligent sentences you and whoever shares your point of view provided :
*You are the boards newest troll. Contgrats
*but this dude is misinformed and brainwashed
*Don't try and be a martyr by crying foul, and the quit attacking me BS. If you believe that piece of science fiction is 100% true, then you are a fool. Nothing to debate.
*I have a cousin who believes that we are all monitored by the gov't. through our TV sets .... thus he does not have one .....
OP - is that you Donny????
*Tired conspiracy theory is for weak minds.
*That's a bunch of crap
instead of looking for real facts you resort to other tactics:
● First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.
● If the other is being persistent , you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.
● If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination.
● If none of these are effective,and if i was debating you in person, you are known to resort to physical attacks.

But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.
gringococolo Offline
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Smoking Guns,

You cite works of fiction as your basis of proof.

Just use Avatar or Star Wars as your source.
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Smoking Guns,

You cite works of fiction as your basis of proof.

Just use Avatar or Star Wars as your source.


● If the other is being persistent , you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.

Every single quote i posted is true and provable by just a simple search on Google,those presidents,senators,congressmen i quoted are real people not fiction,they spoke the truth and some of them gave their live for doing that.
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SmokingGuns wrote:
● If the other is being persistent , you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.

Every single quote i posted is true and provable by just a simple search on Google,those presidents,senators,congressmen i quoted are real people not fiction,they spoke the truth and some of them gave their live for doing that.



Show me other "google" evidence of the world banks you list above. I'd like to see that.

Also to what end is this conspiracy? What is the desired end state?
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Let me help you.

Here's some. Kuhn, Loeb & Co, was bought by Lehman Bros in 1977. Lehman Bros claimed bankruptcy in 2008. The list goes on and on...
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Show me other "Google" evidence of the world banks you list above. I'd like to see that.


i think you are computer literate if you are posting here so you can look for those evidence by yourself cause they are there but first you need an open mind so you can stop rejecting everything different.

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Also to what end is this conspiracy? What is the desired end state?


Well when you agree that those quote and facts i stated are true we can get to the next point,it is a low level tactic in debates to corner whoever is facing you with just questions no fact no answers just doubtful questions,one after another to keep a strong grip on the other,wait for one misplaced fact,one single mistake no matter how irrelevant it is to the debate,to reject the whole idea.Sorry buddy i'm not gonna fall for that.
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#42 Posted:
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SmokingGuns wrote:
i think you are computer literate if you are posting here so you can look for those evidence by yourself cause they are there but first you need an open mind so you can stop rejecting everything different.



Well when you agree that those quote and facts i stated are true we can get to the next point,it is a low level tactic in debates to corner whoever is facing you with just questions no fact no answers just doubtful questions,one after another to keep a strong grip on the other,wait for one misplaced fact,one single mistake no matter how irrelevant it is to the debate,to reject the whole idea.Sorry buddy i'm not gonna fall for that.




All your facts are true.


To what end is this conspiracy?
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Here's some. Kuhn, Loeb & Co, was bought by Lehman Bros in 1977. Lehman Bros claimed bankruptcy in 2008. The list goes on and on.


The Federal Reserve Bank is a consortium of twelve private banks which are not part of the United States Government.

These private banks purchase paper notes from the U.S. mint for printing cost or simply enter digital money into their computer then lend back the money plus interest to the people through member banks. The profits go into the share holders of the bank's pocket's, the U.S. public receives no benefit.

The Primary Owners of the Federal Reserve Bank Are:
1. Rothschild's of London and Berlin
2. Lazard Brothers of Paris
3. Israel Moses Seaf of Italy
4. Kuhn, Loeb & Co. of Germany and New York
5. Warburg & Company of Hamburg, Germany
6. Lehman Brothers of New York
7. Goldman, Sachs of New York
8. Rockefeller Brothers of New York

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Lehman Bros claimed bankruptcy in 2008

well if anything triggered this big economical mess we are in now it will be that along with other reason, their bankruptcy is a mystery that puzzled many economists specially when you ask yourself this question Did it make more sense to lend AIG $180 billion when they have $60 billion in collateral, instead of lending $30 billion to save Lehman?
gringococolo Offline
#44 Posted:
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I thought this might become entertaining, but it has not. Enjoy your conspiracys.
SmokingGuns Offline
#45 Posted:
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All your facts are true.


To what end is this conspiracy?


Very simple: CONTROL, when you hold the nation and people in a constant state of debt,you have power over everything,it is the best investment ever,there will be always a government to borrow and there will be always a population to secure the payment of those loans+ the outrageous interest.
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I thought this might become entertaining, but it has not. Enjoy your conspiracys.

trust me buddy it will be even less entertaining when you will need 10.000$ to get a full tank of gas.Good luck
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#47 Posted:
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gringococolo wrote:
First RICKAMAVEN, now Ricky Ricardo. More loons.

Robertknyc, I commend your effort, but this dude is misinformed and brainwashed,.... or is it US? [que Twilight Zone music]


Thanks gringo, I think you're right. He thinks banks OWN the Fed, when they are merely members. His list is about 30 years outdated anyway. Kuhn, Loeb was bought by Lehman in 1977, and the David Rockefeller used to chairman of Chase Manhattan, but he retired in 1981. Obviously I'm not going to waste my time attempting to debate someone who is so wrong on the facts and seems capable only of cutting and pasting his answers.
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#48 Posted:
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Obviously I'm not going to waste my time attempting to debate someone who is so wrong on the facts and seems capable only of cutting and pasting his answers.

All you did is reject all i said,i didn't create those persons, i didn't write those statement i quoted, they are real they were said by those honest people, if you were an open minded person who could be debated you would ask yourself one question : if former US president, congressmen,senator said all that is there any possible way it could be true ? then you start researching to find more info about it, so at the end you reject it or confirm it, but you sir decide to ignore the facts,to fully reject everything that doesn't fit your prejudgments,you didnt state any fact sir, all you did is ridicule me and my statements.
About the copy-paste sir if you are not fan of it you shouldn't be using a computer that is the new way to argument and debate, before people used to quote from book,newspapers, now they just copy-paste it,and i invite you to do the same if you can find quotes that backs you opinion.
That list is of banks that held and still hold a share in the fed reserve and it is simplified to fit as a list since you wanted names,any way you can stop wasting your time by not posting anything again so it is up to you.
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#49 Posted:
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Let me ask all of you a simple question: what country in its right mind would create a system that would force it to lend itself money and have to repay the money WITH INTEREST? What country would charge itself interest? What nation would put itself out of business by making it bankrupt because of interest?
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#50 Posted:
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Could anyone with some logic answer the above question? Whistle
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