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TinMan51 Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 2:29 PM EST
Joined: 03-06-2003
Posts: 725
This is to all of those who I have traded with On this board. It has been brought to my attention that a certin cigar that I have given out to many people in our trades were FAKES. I normally do not have these Cigars on hand I recieved them in a buy out I did last spring and Had a few of them checked by a some one other than my self and was told they were the good ones so to get rid of them they were given out in trades. I am now told by some that I do respect thier expert knowledge in Cigars that they were Fakes.. So For this reason I have to say I am very sorry and I am willing to make up any trade that I have taken part in that included the Cigars. I did not do this knowing they were fakes (I don't deal in these types of Cigars as a rule)I have also Notified "gorob23" That I am dropping out of the Box Pass. You Have NO idea How bad I feel about this. There is One person that I just Completed a trade with That will be recieving replacement Cigars for what I had sent to begin with. I AM VERY SORRY EVERY ONE....I will not be doing any more trading because of this mistake and how badly it makes me feel. You all have been so Kind and then this happens I can't change what was done but I can change my stupidity by Leaning and I will and then I will come back and trade perhaps.. Again I am So Sorry just E-Mail me with your address and I'll get out some thing to replace those Cigars. I have most of the addys from my trade but not all. I'm sorry TinMan
PS: "Drocks" I will send you some thing to make up for my mistake....
billyjackson Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 2:38 PM EST
Joined: 08-19-2002
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Tin,

Don't know what the hell you are talking about and don't care. You seem to have a good rep on the trade board...and your willingness to make up for the mistake of ignorance goes far enough with me.

Let's trade..what ya got? I don't know if I can match it, but let's do some middle of the road stuff...let me know....seriously...

mrbillyjackson
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mrtelcom Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 2:44 PM EST
Joined: 03-25-2004
Posts: 2,255
I gifted some ISOM in a couple trades. I always wondered if they were "Factory" real and didn't have enough experience to tell. Everyone always says that sometimes the real ones are plugged, quality is bad, etc, so I always had my doubts. Sometimes they were good and sometimes they were not.

I had one trader tell me they were fake, and I felt bad, though I don't think he was mad. I decided not to even gift these rascals in the future, and will probably shy away from other ISOM outbounds until I know better.

So in summary, Tinman, I have been in your shoes, and I would never hold this against anyone.
Lowman Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 2:46 PM EST
Joined: 12-03-2002
Posts: 6,982
Take it easy, Tin... don't be so hard on yourself... It was an honest mistake.

Low
gorob23 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 2:47 PM EST
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Posts: 2,323
I have only heard good things about the Tinman myself.
JustDanD Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 3:10 PM EST
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Posts: 748
Tin.. a little over reaction IMHO. Nobody is out for blood. We need to fix this overblown problem and bring it back down to size.

Dan (JustDanD)
godfather1453406 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 3:20 PM EST
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Posts: 426
Hey Tinman who did you send the fake to? If it was me don't worry about it. Please keep on trading. Do this for all the people that you have traded with. Don't go. I guess this proves that Tinman has a heart ( sorry I had to insert that pun).
godfather1453406 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 3:22 PM EST
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I even think that Doc and I could agree that we do not want you to go. Finally something we both could agree on.
tonester666 Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 3:28 PM EST
Joined: 05-07-2003
Posts: 1,324
Chuck, no big deal. This was not done with malicious intent. It is an honest mistake. I will have absolutely no problem continuing to trade with you.

No point in beating yourself up over it. If I received one it was a bonus and not part of the trade so it does not count anyway.

tony
crose Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 3:46 PM EST
Joined: 08-08-2003
Posts: 14
I am fairly new here and haven't done any trading yet but have been reading everyones posts for the past 6 weeks trying to learn as much as I can. When I first found this site I posted a question about certain flavored cigars and TinMan stepped up and offered to send me some different ones to try without asking for anything in return. Since I was new and didn't really known anyone I didn't take him up on his offer because I felt it would be taking advantage of the situation since I didn't have anything to send in return. But ever since that I have felt he would be one I would be more then happy to trade with and still feel that way. Besides who wouldn't mind a fake if it smoked well????
0patience Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 4:03 PM EST
Joined: 07-20-2003
Posts: 1,023
Hi Tin,
I have been reading posts here for a while and it seems that unless you have yourself listed as an expert in cigars and are charging for "authentic" cigars, then you would be hard pressed to be able to tell the difference.
I certainly would never know if they were or were not authentic. And to be honest, if they smoke good, isn't that the main thing?
I have been fortunate to have received 2 ISOMs and both have been tremendous cigars. Absolutely Mahvolous!! LOL!
Point being, anyone receiving them have to wonder about their authenticity, no matter who they came from. I was reading somewhere about the volume of fakes out there and it was amazing. I have a hard time believing even the experts can tell the difference all the time.

Don't quit trading because of an honest mistake.
I think everyone would feel bad, it shows your integrity. But don't let it get you down.

I'd trade with you anytime, I just don't have all the high grade cigars. Gotta quit smoking them. :)
Have fun, bud.

dz130 Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 4:18 PM EST
Joined: 08-22-2003
Posts: 781
TinMan
Don't throw in the towel! Maybe they were real, and maybe they weren't. This person could be wrong. That's what makes us humans, not computers. This just shows how much of a better human you are by being able to step up to the plate and admit you made a mistake. That accounts for a lot in my book.
remington850 Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 4:34 PM EST
Joined: 05-28-2003
Posts: 213
Chuck,

PLease don't stop trading, you were the first person to trade with me and you taught me A LOT. Besides you yourself said you tried to make sure to the best of your (and others) knowledge that they were not fakes before you even sent any out as part of a trade. Don't let this get you down and I for one could not ever match your genersoity or integerty.

Remington
rmarrandino Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 5:06 PM EST
Joined: 12-07-2002
Posts: 893
Tinman,

You are one of the most respected and generous traders on the boards. Please do not stop trading. Most of the folks on this board do not know what a real/fake cuban look like, myself included.

I look forward to future trades with you.

Rocco

bildo Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 5:07 PM EST
Joined: 09-24-2002
Posts: 104
tin, I wouldn't worry about it in the least. Even if it is a fake I am not disatisfied with out trade at all. You are a great trader and it was clearly an honest mistake. Besides, as I recollect you handed those out as bonuses and not as a part of the trade agreement.
-Bill
ps. I checked it out when I got it and as far as I could tell I saw nothing that lead me to believe it was a fake. I was fooled too.
TinMan51 Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 6:14 PM EST
Joined: 03-06-2003
Posts: 725
Okay Guy's after recieving a couple pieces of mail about those Cigars I just figured it was best to walk away because I have other things to worry about when it comes to having people think I am trying to cheat them. And I thought it would be best for my business..
but I guess after a couple of phone calss and one heck of alot of E-Mail I let the bad day I was having do the talking when I made the 1st post... I did not know there was any thing wrong with the smokes I DID check out the Fake pages on them to make sure I had them setting around 3 months before I felt I was safe and then just started handing them out.. I didn't buy them per say they came as an unknow with a close out lot I bought last spring, there was NO mention of them when the deal was made for the Cigars I did buy..SO as far as I was concerned I had nothing invested in them and from every thing I could find and compare them to, (I even found a site with a Fake cut open and it all layed out so I did the same and compared it with there's) and the one I did cut open sure did not compare at all with the fake they were showing.. SO I made a mistake I DO put alot of weight on the say of the people that checked them out a few days ago and I am know that they know what they are talking about.. SO I'm Sorry it won't happen again and any hting that leaves my hands to any one else will be represented only as what ever the lable say's no more no less.. I really have enjoyed being in here and I would never do any thing knowingly to cheat any one in here. Every one has treated me Better than a person has the right to expect.. BUT from now on if I do any more trading with any one I will send my side first and then aftewr they recieve it and are happy they can send thier's. That way I will feel better and I hope they will fell more comfortable also... Thanks for the offer Billy but why don't we wait for a week or so I have a shippment of Bucanero's coming in next week maybe we could work out some kind of trade for a few of them.. I know they are real because I talked with Johnny himself and was accepted by him into the Buc family..LOL Thanks guy's to all of you really, I had NO Idea that this would be such a big deal I'm sorry for causing some turmoil...I am still going to make the 1st trade I did with a extremely generous person right inorder to make Myself feel better because he was so generous with what he sent to me I have most of that package left... Thank You All And I AM Sorry for stiring thiongs up it was not meant to do that.. TinMan
hoagie55 Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 6:53 PM EST
Joined: 03-01-2003
Posts: 909
Chuck,

Dont take this to heart! We all make mistakes. The important thing is that we learn from them.

No one here on the board believes you intended to cheat anyone! I repeat, no one here on the board believes you intended to cheat anyone! Do you get this or do I have to repeat myself again?!?!

Anyway, I am willing to trade with you anytime you want! As far as I'm concerned, you still have the A1 Classy Trade Reputation. If you are ever looking for anything in particular, email me and if I have it it is yours!

Matt
billyjackson Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 7:07 PM EST
Joined: 08-19-2002
Posts: 2,860
TinMan,

Seeing as how this was partially due to a bad day, may you be blessed with perseverance and peace...

...hopefully we have demonstrated that you are already blessed with brotherhood.

billy
TinMan51 Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 7:12 PM EST
Joined: 03-06-2003
Posts: 725
Thanks Matt. And man what losey spelling and grammer on that last posting by that TinMan guy gezzzzzz looks like he ain't slept in 2 days.. Hahahah Hey thats right that was me guess I should proof read things..Wouldn't make much diference I don't have me Glasses on any way.. Thanks All I'm sorry for all the turmoil.. and Good night.. Tin
ajeroth Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Sep 11 2003, 8:57 PM EST
Joined: 07-17-2003
Posts: 1,000
Chuck,

Your one of the best traders... I would trade with you anytime. How many ISOMs have you seen? How many fit the standards? I said this in another thread. You can't go by the CA fake websites. Judge by the taste.I've bought a few straight from the shop that wouldn't pass the inspection. And I know for a fact that they were real. Everyone on Cbid that I have traded with has gone above and beyond with their generosity. You included. And I thank you for it.
rmarrandino Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 2:33 AM EST
Joined: 12-07-2002
Posts: 893
TinMan,

Glad to hear that everything is cleared up. It would be a shame to lose you. You are an A-1 class act in my book and would trade with you anyday.

Rocco
chuckler Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 4:20 AM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 4,238
Tinman,

This has happened to EVERYONE!!! This is an issue in the cigar world right now. Fakes are flooding the market and most people have no idea what is a fake, and what isn't.

I got a couple just the other day, and guess what, I smoked them anyway, and they weren't bad!?!?!?

Anyway, I would trade with you ANYDAY!!! For any type of smoke!!!

PT :-)

(aka chuckler)
smithbw Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 4:42 AM EST
Joined: 09-01-2001
Posts: 2,444
Tinman,

I have been smoking (Seriously) cigars for about 5 years. I know how to spot a fake in every way. However, I recently bought a box of (Fake) Cuban cigars. I inspected them prior to purchase and based upon the triple cap I thought that they were authentic. Neeedless to say, after smoking a few and looking even closer at the box I learned that they were not authentic.

My Point You Ask? Anyone can make a honest mistake and I believe that this is the case.

Please stick around and continue to tread with us.

After all you are one of the good guys! A quote from a friend of mine! =)


Regards,


B
TinMan51 Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 7:59 AM EST
Joined: 03-06-2003
Posts: 725
I would like to thank every one that posted on here and that sent E-mails and Called me about this..I really didn't mean to cause such a fuss I didn't think That me leaving the trade board would be a big deal. I was wrong..I whish only that I had been contacted by the people that made the declaration of thier findings instead of a third party. I would most willingly have made good on the problem..But thats water under the bridge it's a new day and I'm going to do what I feel is right with the last person I traded with who I had included the last of these Sticks with thier trade and hopefully they will believe That this was a honest mistake on my part that will not happen again..(NO more attempts to include or give away any thing That claims to be an ISOM).lol Thank You All You are truely a bunch of GREAT people..TinMan
smithbw Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 8:54 AM EST
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Posts: 2,444
Mega Hooah - Bro!

Look forward to seeing you here often.

Regards,


B
TinMan51 Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 9:01 AM EST
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Hey Billy what ya doing letting something like this worry you? Your suppose to be healing and getting well. *S* Thank You Sir..You are truely a kind man.. Now get better I have to have some one around here to teach me stuff.. *S*..I know we don't know each other but I have followed most all of your postings since I have been with C-Bid and have tried to conduct myself as I have seen that people like you and a lot of others in here do..You all have my complete respect and admiration..Thanks Billy...And every one else..Tin
grond Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 11:27 AM EST
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Tinman,

You were kind enough to do a completely blind trade with me (a total newbie to the board). Neither of us gave any indication of what we'd be sending, yet you sent two ISOM's (I was thrilled whether they're fake or not) as well as a ton of other really quality smokes. Don't let an honest mistake or a schmuck on the other end of a trade, make you think ill of yourself. Your reputation on this board is as solid as the Rock of Gibraltor. You're A#1 in my book.

Cheers,

Grond
limoric Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 1:09 PM EST
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If the ones you sent me are of the same variety, Please send more. They were great and I have smoked a lot of that variety. As far as fakes go. There are some people who love to say something is fake, just like those people who have to slow down in the car to witness the reckage of an accident.

I still on my, "after I've returned from Cuba list"
gorob23 Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 1:26 PM EST
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Posts: 2,323
hey Tin just to be safe send me all those fakes ;) and I'll try and find some way to get rid of them for You hahahahahahah glad your aboard bro rob
TinMan51 Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 2:25 PM EST
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To the oh so kind gentleman wanting to help me out with those smokes by taking them and gettin rid of them , I'm sorry but they are gone the last ones I had went out on a trade a week ago..Bad thing it that makes 4 boxes that were put out there almost all at 1-4 sticks at a time so alot of them went to alot of people thats what upset me the most was that they were said to be fakes and I had sent so many to so many people..Really made me look bad in my own eye's..But thanks every one for every thing and this will never happen again because I'll never trade or get into the ISOM's again and I end up with some again like I did with these I'll just give the away in my little hick store to these other country boys like me who will never know the difference and besides they'll be free so they wouldn't care any how.lolBut i'll be shure to note that there are a couple of you who are willing to test out all I would happen to get to make sure they are real or fake. LMAO..TinMan
godfather1453406 Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 3:02 PM EST
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Was the one you sent me fake?
raven01 Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 3:18 PM EST
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Tinman
Brother being honest like you were is one of the most refreshing things Ive heard in a long time.I would do a trade with you anytime.Don't beat your self up over it .
limoric Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 3:47 PM EST
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That was ISOM tabacco in them smokes. Don't care if they were made illegally or not. There are some good fakes coming out of that island with legit tobac's in them that are better than the real macoy. If it's good, who cares if it comes from the same farm but rolled at diferrent factories, some legit some not. Some will say it hurts the industry. I say anybody who obtains the ingredient and puts them together should be able to put their own label on it. Unfortunatly it doesn't work like that in one country. When I go, I'm going to buy a mix of both.
TinMan51 Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 5:08 PM EST
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"godfather" what you were sent came from the same batch.It was out of one of the boxes that I gave away..Not sure which box you got yours out of though.. I think it was the last box..the same one that the last trade I made in here a week ago came from..TinMan
gorob23 Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 5:11 PM EST
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TIn alwasy trying to helpful here at the beach bro :)
wer Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2003, 6:30 PM EST
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Saw this thread earlier tonight and thought I'd wait until later to respond.

Tinman sent me two of the sticks in question. I've had them tucked away in my stash for awhile so I decided to fish one out and finally give one a try this evening. I greatly enjoyed it on the patio with a few beers while watching the Astros beat the tar out of the Cardinals.
That's what is most important.

Chuck, I certainly do not hold any ill will against you because the cigars were made in a different place than we believed and I hope you continue to remain active on all these boards (including the trades). You're one fine gentleman and I enjoy your presence here.

Cheers, Bil
smithbw Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Sep 13 2003, 6:18 AM EST
Joined: 09-01-2001
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Tinman,

Thank you sooooooooo much for your kind words. It is BOTL such as yourself that ensures the highest standards are maintained on this board.

Regards,


B
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