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Stop using censorship to ‘protect’ free speech
Buckwheat Offline
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Interesting OP Ed.

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bgz Offline
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People fought and died for those rights, it sickens me how this newer generation is so eager to give them up because people might say something that they're not comfortable hearing.
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bgz wrote:
People fought and died for those rights, it sickens me how this newer generation is so eager to give them up because people might say something that they're not comfortable hearing.



I am offended by the fact that you might think a thought that might offend someone!

ram27bat
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**** that ****... Not talking
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Think
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For years, the 82nd Avenue of the Roses parade has kicked off Portland’s annual Rose Festival and marked beginning of the Oregon city’s parade season.

But after a threatening email was sent to parade organizers - singling out members of the Multnomah County Republican Party (MCRP) who were planning to take part – officials have decided to cancel the family-friendly procession in an effort to avoid any clashes between protesters and marchers.

“This would have been the 11th year of the parade. This is culturally enriched community that has grown very diverse over the years,” Rick Jarvis, a spokesman for the Rose Festival Foundation, told Fox News. “The association has worked very hard to get everyone together in one common are and the parade helped served in that function.”

Local media reported that the email was sent from "[email protected]," and said that if members of the MCRP marched on Saturday they planned to have “two hundred or more people rush into the parade into the middle and drag and push them out.”

“You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely,” the anonymous email said, in reference to the violent riots that broke out in Portland after the 2016 presidential election, reported the Oregonian. “This is non-negotiable.”

While the author of the email did not mention any group or particular affiliation, the message did include links to two different Facebook pages set up for counter-protests; one by Direct Action Alliance and the other from Oregon Students Empowered.

Direct Action Alliance has shut down its counter-protest since the parade was cancelled and said that a different event will be held but they will not organize it. Jacob Bureros, an organizer with the Direct Action Alliance, told the Oregonian that he is sad to hear the news that the parade was cancelled.

"We are disappointed that the parade was canceled," he said. "We're members of this community and this is an awesome parade."

Film at 11.... Not talking
bgz Offline
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Stinkdyr wrote:
I am offended by the fact that you might think a thought that might offend someone!

ram27bat


I'm offended that you are offended by my offensive thought that might offend someone, because I happen to be a very offensive individual and I don't appreciate when someone is offended by my offensive thoughts before I get the opportunity to offend them ... I'm offended.
teedubbya Offline
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I am outraged!
SteveS Offline
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Mob Rule is the order of the day ...
tailgater Offline
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bgz wrote:
People fought and died for those rights, it sickens me how this newer generation is so eager to give them up because people might say something that they're not comfortable hearing.


We're talking about a class of people that need "serenity rooms" and actually took off work/school/life the day after Trump got elected.

Maybe not so surprising after all.

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tailgater wrote:
We're talking about a class of people that need "serenity rooms" and actually took off work/school/life the day after Trump got elected.

Maybe not so surprising after all.


nah, I took a lude and went to work.
DrafterX Offline
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Me too... I was relieved I didn't have to move to Belize... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Me too... I was relieved I didn't have to move to Belize... Mellow

did we meet for lunch that day? I remember laughing like a lunatic.
DrafterX Offline
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I don't think so.... one of us woulda had to have jumped on a plane... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
nah, I took a lude and went to work.


You spelled lube wrong.

SteveS Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I remember laughing like a lunatic.


Me too ... I couldn't stop laughing once it was clear that she wasn't gonna be prez after all ...
MACS Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
did we meet for lunch that day? I remember laughing like a lunatic.


That was the lude, bro.
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I think the ultimate test of First Amendment is the Westboro Baptist A$$holes. I, like everyone on here, hate them. I'm glad to see laws in place limiting where they can be and it never hurts my feelings when the get beat up or otherwise harassed in some way........BUT........Gaddamit, this is America. We have Freedom of Speech. We do NOT have freedom from being offended nor do we have freedom from repercussions of things we might say. I respect their right to do what they do. I also respect that they will likely be $hitstomped for doing it.
MACS Offline
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So it's okay to kick the sh*t out of someone with whom you disagree?

Gotcha. I disagree with you.
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Well, used to be the style at the time. .. it just wasn't sanctioned by the democratic party. .. Mellow
tailgater Offline
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JadeRose wrote:
I think the ultimate test of First Amendment is the Westboro Baptist A$$holes. I, like everyone on here, hate them. I'm glad to see laws in place limiting where they can be and it never hurts my feelings when the get beat up or otherwise harassed in some way........BUT........Gaddamit, this is America. We have Freedom of Speech. We do NOT have freedom from being offended nor do we have freedom from repercussions of things we might say. I respect their right to do what they do. I also respect that they will likely be $hitstomped for doing it.


Excellent example, but the WB might not be a fair comparison.

What they do is so reprehensible that you could equate their actions and words to the proverbial "yelling fire in a crowded theater". It's not a matter of being offended. They can spew their filth at a rally or in a blog. But to do so at a soldiers funeral is beyond being offensive.

The student and faculty snowflakes at UC Berkeley quiver at anything right of center, and their actions to block the opposing viewpoints should result in the end of their federal funding.

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JadeRose wrote:
I think the ultimate test of First Amendment is the Westboro Baptist A$$holes. I, like everyone on here, hate them. I'm glad to see laws in place limiting where they can be and it never hurts my feelings when the get beat up or otherwise harassed in some way........BUT........Gaddamit, this is America. We have Freedom of Speech. We do NOT have freedom from being offended nor do we have freedom from repercussions of things we might say. I respect their right to do what they do. I also respect that they will likely be $hitstomped for doing it.


Well, at my age, it's more than a bit risky for me to even think about this, but honest to God, if those a$$holes showed up at the funeral of someone near and dear to me, I'd be more than happy, to say nothing of eager, to lead the $h*tstomping charge ...
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MACS wrote:
So it's okay to kick the sh*t out of someone with whom you disagree?

Gotcha. I disagree with you.

I totally agree with you.

I also agree with Jade about everything but the stomping.

another good example of how our rights and freedoms are meaningless without extreme tests is the very unpopular defense of the Illinois Nazis by the ACLU. Ironically, there has always been a heavy Jewish presence in the ACLU and they were correct to back the filth in that case...protects the rest of us in a way that many just cannot grasp.

Disgusting, but necessary or rights are meaningless.
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tailgater wrote:
... their actions to block the opposing viewpoints should result in the end of their federal funding.


Agreed ... and, although it's a bit insignificant in the overall picture, this and all of the other BS that Berserkely is so famous for has resulted in the end of any funding they could possibly derive from me ... I do not patronize any Berkeley business, irrespective of however much I might otherwise like to do so ... there are, for example, any number of good restaurants there who are having to get along without my patronage and I have shared my feelings with others who might agree with my thinking ... insignificant, you might say, and you'd be right, but it's all I have control over and I have chosen to boycott them ... the sanctuary city bulls*t might cause me to expand my parameters ... that could be a bit problematic for me, but hey ...
DrafterX Offline
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True. . True. .. what gets me is that goddamn baccarat. . Mad
JadeRose Offline
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MACS wrote:
So it's okay to kick the sh*t out of someone with whom you disagree?

Gotcha. I disagree with you.





Didn't say that. My point is that you have the right to Free speech however disagreeable it may. You are NOT free from any repercussions of that speech. Furthermore, if you were given a free pass to ass kick one of those ****heels at the funeral of a soldier and you say you wouldn't do it, I would question your word at that point.
MACS Offline
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Once again, I disagree. You are, indeed, free from the repercussions of an ass stomping. Causing physical harm to people because they pissed you off is called battery. That, my friend, is against the law... and if you choose that route, you are not free from the repercussions of imprisonment, and possible ass raping while incarcerated.

But hey, you go, girl!!

Repercussions that don't involve breaking of laws... sure.
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JadeRose wrote:
... if you were given a free pass to ass kick one of those ****heels at the funeral of a soldier and you say you wouldn't do it, I would question your word at that point.

MACS wrote:
Causing physical harm to people because they pissed you off is called battery. That, my friend, is against the law... and if you choose that route, you are not free from the repercussions of imprisonment, and possible ass raping while incarcerated.


A) "if you were given a free pass" to my way of thinking means you'd not be prosecuted for battery ...

B) But, if those a$$wipes were to show up at the funeral of someone I cared about, I'd risk it ... though, at my age, I'd not be getting a pass for doing serious injury to myself in the process ...
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I've had the displeasure of being around them... they were well protected by the police... didn't stop people from expressing themselves but no punches were thrown. .. someone did slash the tires on one of their vans tho.. then they had a real hard time getting someone to fix them... Mellow
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If you're not willing to take the good with the bad, you really don't believe in free speech.
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True. .. true. . . And there are limits or restrictions as far as the asswipes go... they weren't allowed within a block of the church and could only stay about 2 hrs I think. .. Mellow
tailgater Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
If you're not willing to take the good with the bad, you really don't believe in free speech.


Context is everything.
Those westboro deekwads certainly have the right to think like they do. And to say what they say. But their methods are intended to incite disruptive behavior (at best) and should absolutely be banned or otherwise dealt with.

What they say is disgusting, but protected.
How (when and where) they say it needs to be outlawed.

The two things are related, but entirely different.

MACS Offline
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So how do we feel about the arse holios who block traffic? Or cause delays in airports?
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Eye for an eye I say... Mad
tonygraz Offline
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Last time traffic was blocked around here, it was because of a serious accident. Usually it's just horses or cows that got loose. Oh yeah, there was that moose that stopped traffic last year or the year before.
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tailgater wrote:
Context is everything.
Those westboro deekwads certainly have the right to think like they do. And to say what they say. But their methods are intended to incite disruptive behavior (at best) and should absolutely be banned or otherwise dealt with.

What they say is disgusting, but protected.
How (when and where) they say it needs to be outlawed.

The two things are related, but entirely different.



I hear you, but the same rules applied to the patriot riders that blocked the WBC bass turds and revved their motorcycles to drown out their voices.

It's a slippery slope and any club you use on the them can reused on others.
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Gene363 wrote:
I hear you, but the same rules applied to the patriot riders that blocked the WBC bass turds and revved their motorcycles to drown out their voices.

It's a slippery slope and any club you use on the them can reused on others.


But the WBC were presenting themselves. Making themselves available for rebuttal.

The same can't be said for a grieving family who didn't want to be where they were.

I know the point you're trying to make, but sometimes outlawing how a message is broadcast is not in conflict with free speech.

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tonygraz wrote:
Last time traffic was blocked around here, it was because of a serious accident. Usually it's just horses or cows that got loose. Oh yeah, there was that moose that stopped traffic last year or the year before.


Like the time those snowflakes blocked traffic on 93 in Boston.
Some cows chained themselves to barrels...

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I'm a firm believer in the individual's free speech rights in the US. However, I also feel that we shouldn't give them a wider audience by putting them up as the lead story when they spew their ignorance and hate. fog
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Buckwheat wrote:
I'm a firm believer in the individual's free speech rights in the US. However, I also feel that we shouldn't give them a wider audience by putting them up as the lead story when they spew their ignorance and hate. fog

I have very mixed feelings about what is comfortable/sensible vs rights with teeth. I am more worried when hate groups go underground. On some level, I'd like to have a Nazi Cable Network!
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Do they have naked boobs there..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
Do they have naked boobs there..?? Huh



I am a big believer in boobs solving most of the world's problems.

SHOW BOOBS FOR PEACE!!

Applause Applause
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X, if it's German porn you're after, I'm sure TW can direct
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dstieger wrote:
X, if it's German Shepard porn you're after, I'm sure TW can direct



OhMyGod
tonygraz Offline
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dstieger wrote:
X, if it's German porn you're after, I'm sure TW can direct


TW is a porn director ?
bgz Offline
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Porn is free speech, please don't trample TW's rights.

Also/... boobs are great. If the world had more free flopping boobs, it would be a better place...

Just not too much though... keep those things in a bra from time to time... that whole gravity thing is a b1tch.
tailgater Offline
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Are you using "flopping" as an expression, or as a description?
Because you can keep your golden oldies and redneck hogbacks and national geographic family feeders.

If'n we're gonna get free naked boobies I want them to look me in the eyes and dare me motorboat them.


MACS Offline
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tailgater wrote:
If'n we're gonna get free naked boobies I want them to look me in the eyes and dare me motorboat them.


Agreed. No old boobs, only young, perky ones...
bgz Offline
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Because of nat geo, we know what happens to free hanging young and perky boobs... they turn into pancake titties... see gravity comment above...

knuckleheads never read the whole comment, you guys just stop at "free flopping boobs".
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Boobs are for babies and guys without a motorboat.
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