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riverdog Offline
#101 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:21 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Nobody likes Trump... well maybe some do... most of us just hate Hillary and are willing to throw our vote away so we can say ' I didn't vote for her'.. Mellow

Fixed that for you.Herfing
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#102 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:26 PM EST
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That's a CNN interpretation for sure... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#103 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:28 PM EST
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Or the FBI could have drawn a legitimate conclusion. *shrug* just another possibility but the conspiracy one is probably more reasonable.

Personally the fact trump likes to grab chicks kitty cat without their permission makes him more endearing to me. He was only 59 and they say he's changed tough since those indiscretions in his yute.

Mellow

Bill's inducrestions have been front and center focus for a couple decades. I think they taint his presidency.

But the kill list and all that are the factual things I can't get over. All those killings and they just continue to get away with it. That and the drug deals at the airport, whitewater and the whole Hillary is Godzilla thing. Jesse Ventura proved them all on his show.

All the criminality which has been proven it's as if folks just don't think it's proven or something. You can only be accused of and investigated so much until you must be guilty.

Lock her up. Lock her up.
DrafterX Offline
#104 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:34 PM EST
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ThumpUp
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#105 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:35 PM EST
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I bet Martha Stewart thinks so... Mellow
banderl Offline
#106 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:44 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I bet Martha Stewart thinks so... Mellow



How many times was Martha investigated?
teedubbya Offline
#107 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:45 PM EST
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If we just assume all the things she hasn't been convicted of or proven are true then of course she should be in jail.

And since those are just the facts I just don't understand the lack of excitement to vote in a president pu$$y grabber.
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#108 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:48 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I like they're latest response to the newly released incriminating e-mails. .. they're saying the e-mails are fabricated and untrue. . And their sheeples will believe them... Mellow



True, "doctored by the Russians.
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#109 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:56 PM EST
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Curious if any of the **** grabies will step forward... you'd think if he actually did that we'd have heard about it by now. .. he was prolly just talking chit...
And I don't want to sound like I'm defending him.. he was bad.. but if you put his comnents on scale with Hillary's comments and actions I think she'd bottom out fast... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#110 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:58 PM EST
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i agree. I think we will see some. Just as we did with Bill.
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#111 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 6:03 PM EST
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Well, if the **** grabies step forward then maybe he should step down.. until then it was just guy talk... we are not running for office and I understand he should be held to a higher stand but I've seen much worse comments here in the pic posts... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#112 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 6:05 PM EST
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Lol

We have some real playas in here.

teedubbya Offline
#113 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 6:05 PM EST
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For someone who can't understand the blind defense of the clintons......
banderl Offline
#114 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 6:16 PM EST
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I heard that he grabbed Billy Bush's ****.
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#115 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 6:18 PM EST
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Freak... why would you imagine that. .?? Huh
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#116 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 6:20 PM EST
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And again. . I'm not condoning his comments or defending him. . Just don't see how it out weighs her past... Mellow
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#117 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 6:36 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Freak... why would you imagine that. .?? Huh



I didn't imagine that, people are saying that Agent Orange™ did that to poor Billy.

Trump gave him a Tic Tac and grabbed Billy's bush.
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#118 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 7:25 PM EST
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You hang out with freaky people. . Mellow
banderl Offline
#119 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 7:44 PM EST
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People are sayin.................
teedubbya Offline
#120 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 7:54 PM EST
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Her past as you see it drafter. Part of the problem is the number of times the republicans have cried wolf and conducted incessant investigations with no findings of merit. The problem is you think you are staining someone because after all there can't be that many investigations without guilt.

To some that works. Others see it as crying wolf and silly. Anyone that bought in to the birther thing tainted their ability to proclaim someone guilty of something although nothing happen because the fix was in. I say the same to folks that thought bush and Cheney false flagged 911.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it just is.

My problems with the republicans for quite some time has been that obama and Hillary have so many substantive faults that it cheapens the argument to focus on the fringe crap they do. It makes it possible to ignore issues of merit.

And then the republicans ran trump. They just aren't serious. I hope they become so.
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#121 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 8:06 PM EST
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But you're ignoring the faults in the investigations... it wasn't conducted properly. . According the libertarian judge anyways. .. Mellow
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#122 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 10:02 PM EST
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We all know that Hillary put Trump up to run this election. The Republican party ran cruddy this year because they had 20 candidates and the pool was over saturated. That's the only reason Trump got in. Next time they only need to run 3 candidates; I guarantee they'll have a good candidate if they run it like that next election.
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#123 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 10:36 PM EST
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can you name 3 that should have been featured this year...after 8 years to get ready?
The GOP needs to move over, maybe let some real libertarians take over, and silence the splinter groups.
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#124 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 10:41 PM EST
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i miss ross perot...
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#125 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 10:54 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
can you name 3 that should have been featured this year...after 8 years to get ready?
The GOP needs to move over, maybe let some real libertarians take over, and silence the splinter groups.


+1
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#126 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 11:48 PM EST
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Rand Paul
tailgater Offline
#127 Posted: Mon, Oct 10 2016, 8:27 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
can you name 3 that should have been featured this year...after 8 years to get ready?
The GOP needs to move over, maybe let some real libertarians take over, and silence the splinter groups.


Splinter?
Or Sphincter?
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#128 Posted: Mon, Oct 10 2016, 8:55 AM EST
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Freak !
frankj1 Offline
#129 Posted: Mon, Oct 10 2016, 12:18 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Splinter?
Or Sphincter?

I was being nice, but they have been ripped apart.
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#130 Posted: Mon, Oct 10 2016, 12:26 PM EST
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Covfireman wrote:
Rand Paul

yeah, I remember him. he was like the first one out of this year's Top 20.

Clearly he is not one of the top three electables to the GOP Council of Elders...but I would have preferred to see him in the finals.
dstieger Offline
#131 Posted: Tue, Oct 11 2016, 11:31 AM EST
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I clearly understand and respect the "I'm voting Trump because HRC sucks" contingent.

But, I am concerned about the true Trump supporters - the ones that have turned this election on its head. I am worried that the common denominator has dropped precipitously. Reason has left the building and may not return.
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#132 Posted: Tue, Oct 11 2016, 11:43 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:


But, I am concerned about the true Trump supporters - the ones that have turned this election on its head.




The Independent Converts..?? Huh
dstieger Offline
#133 Posted: Tue, Oct 11 2016, 11:55 AM EST
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Haven't seen any studies or data. But, I'll bet that many (most?) of those that I'm thinking of weren't R or I. In fact, if not for Trump, I'd be surprised if half of them would have even considered voting at all. The other half...well, they may have come from all parts of the spectrum -- neither party has cornered the market on denominator lowering.
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#134 Posted: Tue, Oct 11 2016, 11:57 AM EST
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prolly from that Deplorables Party... Mellow
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#135 Posted: Tue, Oct 11 2016, 12:10 PM EST
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INDEPENDENTS, NOT REPUBLICANS, DECIDE ELECTIONS
Of all of the pernicious lies that have afflicted the 2016 race the worst may be that Donald Trump is losing because of a divided Republican Party.

Certainly having a full scale meltdown in your party less than a month from a quadrennial election is not a good thing. And it may, in fact, turn Trump’s impending defeat into a rout of Goldwaterian proportions. But if he loses, the root cause will be Trump’s failures outside of the Republican Party.

An astonishing 30 million or so Republicans participated in primaries and caucuses this year. As Trump often points out, he received more votes than any nominee in history. He doesn’t point out, however, that more votes were cast against him than any prior nominee.

But if all 16.1 million people who voted or caucused against him and all 13.6 million people who voted or caucused for him marched to the polls to vote for him in the general election, he would still be about 40 million votes short.

As Trump bellows into his Twitter machine about the disloyalty of House Speaker Paul Ryan and Trump supporters go scalp hunting for conservative Republicans who have turned their backs on the party’s nominee, bear in mind this simple truth: there are more Democrats in America than there are Republicans. To win elections, the GOP needs to win a lopsided majority of independent voters. That’s just the way it is.

Coming out of the first debate, Trump was hemorrhaging support among swing voters. His feud with a former beauty queen sealed in the minds of many voters every allegation Clinton had made about Trump. That it would be followed by audio of Trump joking about sexual assault was a calamity of historic proportions.

The conservative press and the mainstream press are going to spend much of the next 20 days kindling every spark they can find of the fires of enmity in the Republican Party.

This is satisfying for both Democrats and Trump supporters. The narrative that the betrayal by the Speaker of the House or other establishment Republicans is to blame for Trump’s failures makes Trump feel better, and cheers Democrats because it is a foretaste of a permanently, hopelessly, divided opposition party in the years to come.

But do not let them fool you.

Trump supporters are threatening to abandon down-ballot Republicans who do not back Trump to the hilt. Establishmentarians and conservatives are withdrawing their support for Trump to deny him victory.

While these acts of protest no doubt satisfy the hatreds that now animate the GOP from an electoral standpoint, this is chicken feed compared to those other 40 million voters Republicans need to be a viable party.

Film at 11.... Think


doesn't sound like a good time to sit back and watch... just sayin... Mellow
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#136 Posted: Wed, Oct 12 2016, 8:51 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I clearly understand and respect the "I'm voting Trump because HRC sucks" contingent.

But, I am concerned about the true Trump supporters - the ones that have turned this election on its head. I am worried that the common denominator has dropped precipitously. Reason has left the building and may not return.


One thing I've noticed, and this is my own opinion only:

Trump supporters seem to acknowledge his deficiencies. They understand and have come to accept the fact that he's a jerk and a blow hard. But they are willing to cast their vote for him anyhow. Either because they hate hillary THAT much. Or because they are sick and tired of the same old same old.

Hillary supporters also come in two flavors. Some just simply loathe The Don and it truly wouldn't matter if Hillary was on video shooting Vince Foster. The others are just in denial about her own demons. They ignore her atrocities as if they didn't happen. As if only a right wing kook could even believe them. They ignore past indiscretions because it's "in the past", while simultaneously saying she's better qualified because of her experience. They are self contradictory in addition to being among the most hypocritical individuals to ever cast their votes.

Plural.
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#137 Posted: Wed, Oct 12 2016, 8:52 AM EST
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^forgot to add:
There are indeed some deplorables on the Trump side. I get it.
You call Trump a racist enough times and even the racists will believe it.

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#138 Posted: Wed, Oct 12 2016, 8:57 AM EST
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Agree on the racist part....I never thought that was a good label. I'm pretty sure he's an even-handed equal opportunity hater. While I will defend the misogynistic tag, I am sure he's just as disrespectful to men if they don't serve to advance his purposes. I am NOT saying that ****ting on a guy is the same as grabbing a woman's genitals...it isn't...I'm saying that the motivations inside Trump for either action are much the same.
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#139 Posted: Wed, Oct 12 2016, 1:01 PM EST
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n interesting POV that represent why some voters are for Trump, in particular, the highlighted portion:

Quote:
OCT 10, 2016
I Stand With Trump

By Congressman Tom McClintock

Donald Trump wasn’t my first or even second choice for President, but I can certainly tell the difference between a fire and a fireman. And when a fireman is trying to save my house from burning down, the fact he uses lewd and vulgar language in private conversations with other guys doesn’t change the nature of the emergency.

Ironically, Trump’s words spoken many years ago precisely describe Bill Clinton’s behavior over many years, which Hillary Clinton has actively excused, enabled and abetted. How odd that the same Democratic mouthpieces who defended Clinton’s disgraceful deeds are incensed at Trump’s disgraceful words.

We will soon see if this grand diversion succeeds. If it does, it will have obscured several self-evident truths that will decide the future of our families and our nation for decades to come.

Although this election will determine the President for the next four years, it will determine the Supreme Court for the next generation. The average length of service on the Supreme Court is 16 years. If every justice lives to his or her actuarial age, the next President will appoint four Supreme Court justices, starting with the Scalia vacancy.

The Citizens United case protects the First Amendment right of any group of Americans to pool its resources to participate in the public policy debate. The Heller case protects the Second Amendment right of individual Americans to defend themselves with firearms. Clinton and Justice Ginsberg have both made clear that these freedoms will be the first to go once a lock-step leftist majority is installed.

Millions of illegal immigrants have been allowed to enter our country in defiance of our laws, making a mockery of the many legal immigrants who have done everything our country has asked. Is there any doubt by any voter anywhere on the political spectrum that if Donald Trump is elected President, illegal immigration will come to a screeching halt? And is there any doubt that if Hillary Clinton is elected, it will continue?

Does anyone doubt that Hillary Clinton will preside over a massive round of tax increases and that Donald Trump will cut taxes dramatically? Both have said so repeatedly.

Ronald Reagan took office at a time of double-digit unemployment, inflation and interest rates. He rolled back the tax and regulatory burdens that were crushing the economy and produced one of the most prosperous eras in American history. So did John F. Kennedy, whose locker-room conversations we can only imagine. Donald Trump, surrounded by many of Reagan’s economic advisors, is determined to follow Reagan’s prescription for prosperity; Hillary Clinton is pledged to do just the opposite.

And that’s the great question: not whether Trump is a choirboy – he’s never claimed to be. The question is whether our nation can afford to go another four years down the road it has been on. Does anyone doubt that Hillary Clinton will continue the policies that have brought us to this moment? Or that Donald Trump will change them?

Every American has had an up-close and personal experience with the Obama economy and no politician or pundit is going to convince them it is otherwise. They know the condition of the job market and whether their standard of living or quality of life has improved under these policies.

There is no ducking these questions. In parliamentary practice, to abstain from voting is the same as voting with the prevailing side. Ogden Nash put it this way: “They have such delicate palates, they can find no one worthy of their ballots. Then when someone terrible gets elected, they say, ‘There, that’s just what I expected.’”

I can fully understand why the Clinton campaign and the leftist media (but I repeat myself) are making every attempt to divert attention away from these self-evident truths. But I cannot understand why so many hand-wringing Republican leaders can’t bear to stand up in the most important presidential election in our lifetimes.

Centuries ago, Thomas Paine wrote words to rally our nation in its first crisis – words Republican leaders should bear in mind today: “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country. But he who stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”


He is a 4th district Congressman from California.
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#140 Posted: Wed, Oct 12 2016, 1:44 PM EST
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Why do you assume he's a fireman and not a looter?

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#141 Posted: Wed, Oct 12 2016, 1:52 PM EST
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Good question....but the panic button has been pushed and anyone who shows with so much as a promise of bringing their hose gets favor


I'm just as concerned with the assumption that the house is burning down....I think the for-profit firemen are selling us a doomsday scenario that ignores some realities
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#142 Posted: Wed, Oct 12 2016, 2:09 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure that's just a gas can with "watur" scrawled on it in crayon....
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#143 Posted: Wed, Oct 12 2016, 2:14 PM EST
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http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/blll-clinton-debate-mem-.jpg
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#144 Posted: Wed, Oct 12 2016, 2:28 PM EST
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