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opelmanta1900 Offline
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http://abc30.com/education/kingsburg-high-district-board-votes-to-allow-ccw-permit-staff-to-carry-guns-on-campus/1286726/

KINGSBURG, Calif. (KFSN) -- Kingsburg High School District Board has made history becoming the second district in California to allow certain staff members to bring a gun on campus.

Board members for Kingsburg Joint Union High School District voted yes to a new policy they hope, will ensure the safety of students and staff in case of an active shooter or other extreme emergencies on campus. The new policy doesn't require the volunteered staff members to shoot, but once the CCW permit holder signs the application, they've accepted the responsibility.

"And personally, the expectation of the superintendent is, given the situation, you will protect staff and students with your firearm that you've been granted permission to carry," said Randy Morris, Superintendent.


The policy was suggested by board members following December's San Bernardino mass shooting, and, other horrific crimes across the country. The superintendent would ultimately decide which staff members would be allowed to carry a concealed gun on campus-- and those identities would remain a secret. Morris said he's already received a few inquiries from staff.

"It would be comforting, or nice to know, that somebody was on campus armed and could stop the violence," said Neil Dadian, Kingsburg Police Chief.

ABC30 legal analyst Tony Capozzi, though, said putting that kind of responsibility on a staff member, who does not have the training law enforcement does, is a bad idea.

"You can legally carry a gun. But how you deal with a crisis situation are two different things, and then what's the responsibility of a school district on what a teacher, or administrator, does with that firearm."

When applying, staff members must have a positive disciplinary record.

The policy goes into effect immediately.
TMCTLT Offline
#2 Posted:
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Applause

For the uhmm gentleman to compare the staffers that will be allowed to carry to LEO's is a joke in that the LEO's are trained for countless situations in multiple environments.


"It would be comforting, or nice to know, that somebody was on campus armed and could stop the violence," said Neil Dadian, Kingsburg Police Chief.

I'll go with the Chief...
jjanecka Offline
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Wow looks like there are still a few people in California who have nuts and aren't emasculated shells of men.
DrafterX Offline
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Train them if they want the responsibility... what if they fold under pressure..?? Think


This is a little different than 'right to carry'... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
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What do you mean by fold under pressure?
DrafterX Offline
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what if they decide to hide under a desk instead of save the childrens..?? Huh
opelmanta1900 Offline
#7 Posted:
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then why would it matter if they were armed or not? Wouldn't the result be identical?
DrafterX Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
The new policy doesn't require the volunteered staff members to shoot, but once the CCW permit holder signs the application, they've accepted the responsibility.

"And personally, the expectation of the superintendent is, given the situation, you will protect staff and students with your firearm that you've been granted permission to carry," said Randy Morris, Superintendent.




If someone accepts the permit they can't run and hide... they don't have to shoot but they are required to confront... at least that's how I interpret it... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
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Stupid policy. Would have been better if the duty to part of the policy was zapped. I'm afraid it may lead to a poor decision based on ones desire to follow policy.
jjanecka Offline
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I still don't understand why school police and security aren't fully armed or at least have an armory locker onsite.
DrafterX Offline
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Off-duty cops or full time campus police carrying a gun I'm ok with... but you get some high school football coach thinking he's the chit in a bad situation and I'd bet more than half the time he heads for shelter instead of confronting a bad guy.. Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Off-duty cops or full time campus police carrying a gun I'm ok with... but you get some high school football coach thinking he's the chit in a bad situation and I'd bet more than half the time he heads for shelter instead of confronting a bad guy.. Mellow



I wouldn't take that bet.....either way.... for would be thumpers the message is being sent, we're no longer sheep awaiting slaughter. Can you say for certain that there are no LEO's who may in certain situations " fold under pressure" ? After all we're told that the majority in their LE career never have to fire their duty weapons.
DrafterX Offline
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true.. true... I just traveled back in time to my high school and wondered who'd be the secret gun carrier.. I didn't see many options... Mellow
rfenst Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
I still don't understand why school police and security aren't fully armed or at least have an armory locker onsite.

All our schools have armed full-time cops.
dharbolt Offline
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rfenst wrote:
All our schools have armed full-time cops.


Ours as well
tonygraz Offline
#16 Posted:
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I'm sure glad some of my school teachers didn't carry a gun.
Mr. Jones Offline
#17 Posted:
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Kindergarten COP

AAAAAHHHNOLD
Speyside Offline
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This seems dangerous to me.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#19 Posted:
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I went to this high school soph-sen years, 96-99... I'd be shocked if there weren't half a dozen teachers there who were armed at all times anyways...
Brewha Offline
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Seems that Archie Bunker is now a sage - prevent hijackings by arming all the passengers.....

Amerika - great country ours.....
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