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Mr. Jones Offline
#51 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,359
POST #1

PROLLY the best thing TRUMP (will do??)
In his first month....

Freakin' BARRY and his anti-gun agenda
WAS FOR THE BIRD'S...
AS WERE MOST OF HIS EXECUTIVE ORDERS....

HEY, AMERICA was founded on a three branch
System to avoid dictators & KINGS....
EXECUTIVE ORDERS = KING & DICTATOR POWERS
ZRX1200 Offline
#52 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,476
victor809 wrote:
... you do realize he said the process takes..... minutes...

Yes... you heard him.... minutes....

That's like 3 cbid posts... (or 1/4 of a cbid post for you poor American educated individuals).

I mean... I don't personally think the process should exist at all. But I'll defer to macs on whether it is onerous or not.



Problem is, they DON'T WORK. Also, Democrats are doing everything they can to not fix "false hits" and they're also doing away with provisions that protected citizens if a challenged denial wasn't processed in a timely manner they could pick up their gun. NOW......with this tactic a legal citizen could be with elderly indefinitely without recourse or redress of grievance.
victor809 Offline
#53 Posted:
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Don't complain to me about it... I'm all for no screening whatsoever. MACS is the one who said it takes minutes and supported the idea of it.

I honestly don't give a rats azz if someone wants to buy a tripod mounted automatic weapon days after breaking out of the mental hospital.

I only point out that libtards like TCBY want to control people's access to necessary self defense items like rpgs...
qmech Offline
#54 Posted:
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Posts: 970
Half the people on the. Cbid forum? Or am I being to conservative?
Q
PS I hope Victor doesn't get to worked up because I used the word conservative..
😁😁😁😂
qmech Offline
#55 Posted:
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too worked up..😁😁😁
Q
bs_kwaj Offline
#56 Posted:
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https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2014/09/12/22/Gary_Busey.jpg

Beer
TMCTLT Offline
#57 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
qmech wrote:
Half the people on the. Cbid forum? Or am I being to conservative?
Q
PS I hope Victor doesn't get to worked up because I used the word conservative..
😁😁😁😂




Victor LIVES....to be a contrary argumentative douche bag, but he IS very VERY good @ it.
( must be that Columbian drug cartel edumication he gots that makes him wicked smaaaat )
jjanecka Offline
#58 Posted:
Joined: 12-08-2015
Posts: 4,334
Alright guys, I've finally decided that my conceit and narcissism has reached a new level and I'm going to create a Facebook page where people can simply "Like" me versus being my friend.

I figure I'll just post all the cool stuff I like to do, like shoot guns, smoke cigars, eat food, local music, and talk about other stuff that's relevant to me. Some people who have given me cigars in the past on the forum might get a humble shout out or thank you.

More details soon enough!
MACS Offline
#59 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,593
teedubbya wrote:
They don't always take minutes. They very often take days. Mine took almost two weeks. Just google nics delays


Cali uses CLETS (CA law enforcement telecommunication system). Minutes. Most of that time is entering the full name and date of birth; then if multiple entries come up, figuring out which one it is by matching the DL and address.

CLETS shows wants/warrants, restraining orders, probation or parole, driving record, any registered guns you own and where you bought them, and a few other reports.

Obviously gun purchases have to be run federally, or felons would move to another state and buy a gun illegally. I'm sure that if CA can come up with a system that works quickly the feds can, too. In any case... I think anywhere from 3-5 days is not unreasonable. 10 days, as CA has, is excessive in my opinion.

And I disagree with Victor. I am in favor of checks, but timely checks. There is nothing wrong with ensuring you are not selling a gun to a felon or a nut.
ZRX1200 Offline
#60 Posted:
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FBI runs the federal system, and they are actually fast with it unlike the class 3 items. Here in Oregon they've opted out and have the OSP run it (again insuring more state union jobs, and an avenue of control with the governor running the OSP). They've also admitted to keeping records permanently when the law states no longer than 3 years which is also excessive.
Buckwheat Offline
#61 Posted:
Joined: 04-15-2004
Posts: 12,251
MACS wrote:
I'm in favor of background checks, and since I do them here in CA, I know how long they take. Minutes. Nation wide checks may take up to a couple days. But I see nothing wrong with proper vetting of potential gun owners/buyers if done in a timely manner.

I don't want people with serious mental health issues buying or owning guns. It's just not smart. But I don't know what classifies as serious... and I suspect only a professional psych doctor could tell you that. It is my understanding that the law, as written, was restricting people that did not need to be restricted.

*shrug*


+1 Applause
DrafterX Offline
#62 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508
I still think about the case in California somewhere where a kid was on Ritalin or somethin so they came in and took his Uncle Joe's guns cause they were in the same house... I suspect this is what Obama had in mind... Mellow
teddyballgame Offline
#63 Posted:
Joined: 09-16-2015
Posts: 592
but what did Obama have in mind with Fast And Furious?
jjanecka Offline
#64 Posted:
Joined: 12-08-2015
Posts: 4,334
I agree with drafter, I think if you're on any pills whatsoever the government wants to take away everything not only your property but the property of those around you. It's not right to the individual.
Mr. Jones Offline
#65 Posted:
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Posts: 19,359
#63 teddy^^^^

I'd love to read an IN DEPTH STORY
On the whole CLUSTER ****
BARRY SIGNED OFF ON
CALLED
FAST AND FURIOUS.....

ONCE YOU'VE BEEN IN "THE GAME" for literally
D.E.C.A.D.E.S....
YOU get damned tired of all these
Operation & PROJECT NAMES....

THERE HAVE been so *****in' many "OP's" that
These top level law dogs and intelligence spooks have used the same name 2 or 3 times....

Then the DUMB *****S get all confused and these
YOUNG MILLENNIAL DOUCHE BAG NEW HIRES
start running the show and "GO ALL VIN DESIEL"
On the names....

If I had to guess about "fast and furious"...
A side angle was used... that was never conceived of by MORONIC FBI ANALYSTS and a smart CRIMINAL made a TON OF MONEY OFF THE U.S. GUBMENT.
I thought a few AGENTS? Or stoolies were shot or killed with the same guns they sold to the cartels?
Is what I heard on TV on time?

And #64 jjaneka

If they took all the guns from people "who took pills"
25-40% of all LOCAL COPS, FBI, ATF, Federal Marshalls, JSOC, HOMELAND SECURITY
WOULD BE UNABLE TO CARRY A GUN....
AND
75% of the ENTIRE FBI-SSG DIVISION
WOULD ONLY be able to CARRY PEPPER SPRAY, battons
And tasers...the other 25% FBI-SSG AGENTS WOULD BE IN MENTAL HOSPITALS FOR LIFE.
teedubbya Offline
#66 Posted:
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Posts: 95,637
ZRX1200 wrote:
FBI runs the federal system, and they are actually fast with it unlike the class 3 items. Here in Oregon they've opted out and have the OSP run it (again insuring more state union jobs, and an avenue of control with the governor running the OSP). They've also admitted to keeping records permanently when the law states no longer than 3 years which is also excessive.



Not my experience with the FBI system nor with my FFL or the gun show vendors I've spoken with. They can return Proceed, Delay, Deny. Delay is the kicker because the number of delays has climbed dramatically to the point they are common. When I got my CZ 4 or the 5 folks before me got the delay. Delay is supposed to be for 3 days or less (then they can give the gun and if it comes back as deny you get visited by ATF and lose your gun.) In reality many FFLs simpy will not give you the gun until proceed (thank san bernadino for that)


Leaving it unedited but misread part of your post
TMCTLT Offline
#67 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
On the Federal level this link pretty well covers the entire gambit of who gets denied and why. This is based on the assumption that the buyer is purchasing his / her gun through a licensed FFL


From the attached link:

NICS also consults medical records submitted by each state. According to a 2013 congressional report, these records can show whether someone has been “adjudicated as a mental defective” by a “court, board, commission, or other lawful authority,” or has been involuntarily committed to a mental institution — both circumstances would bar someone from purchasing a firearm. However, federal law does not require states to forward mental health records to NICS, and some states are resistant, citing privacy laws.









https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/background-checks-nics-guns-dylann-roof-charleston-church-shooting/
teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted:
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funny part is passing a security clearance appears to trigger NICS delays
MACS Offline
#69 Posted:
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Posts: 79,593
San Bernardino? Those folks had their guns bought for them. The guy who bought them plead guilty and will soon be sentenced.
elRopo Offline
#70 Posted:
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Posts: 905
No matter how many laws are passed or how stringent background checks are, bad actors will always find a way to acquire a gun. People need to stop being victims and take responsibility for their own protection. Call 911 and wait just won't get the job done.

My 2¢
teedubbya Offline
#71 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
San Bernardino? Those folks had their guns bought for them. The guy who bought them plead guilty and will soon be sentenced.



I think.... and this is from my FFL so I don't know.... that the origin of the guns to the other dude was clean from the FFL end BUT it involved a Delay response in which the FFL LEGALLY let the guns go (what the dude did from there was not legal). The FFL did nothing wrong.

However the anti gun nuts are still suing them. While they will likely win if they had not already, the FFL suffered huge attny fees and it cast a pall over many FFLs that would legally release the gun. At least that is why he stopped doing so. It is also why gander mountain, cabellas etc stopped doing so (obammy pressure).

Yes technically if the delay runs long they can release it... in reality I wouldn't if I was them.

I've not checked the veracity of the story and don't really care. I just know many ffls will not release the gun after a 3 day delay even though they can because they don't want to be at risk of a suit by zealots.


I was delayed for about 2 weeks, and while you never get a reason I suspect it is because both my wife and I have gone through pretty extensive security clearances as of late which means pings on the file, and data systems not available to first line reviewers. No gun for TEE during that time.
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#72 Posted:
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MACS Offline
#73 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
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I agree, TW. They should have 2 responses. Proceed/Deny.

If the shop selling the gun doesn't get a YES or a NO in the time allotted, consider it a NO until you hear otherwise. The DELAY just creates confusion... and if you can legally give the buyer the gun and it comes out as NO a day later... WTF?
DrafterX Offline
#74 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508
teedubbya wrote:
Delay is supposed to be for 3 days or less (then they can give the gun and if it comes back as deny you get visited by ATF and lose your gun.)



I wonder if they take all your guns... Think
teedubbya Offline
#75 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I wonder if they take all your guns... Think



Yes.
DrafterX Offline
#76 Posted:
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Those Bassards..!! Mad
frankj1 Offline
#77 Posted:
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even though I took Bronze in my one and so far only competition, I would like to know, what does FFL stand for?
Thanks.
teedubbya Offline
#78 Posted:
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Frankie Five Legs
teedubbya Offline
#79 Posted:
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Federal Firearms License - someone with the ability to accept transfer - dealer
ZRX1200 Offline
#80 Posted:
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MACS, I'm not into denying rights without a timely appeal.

If the left wasn't using this the way they are I might feelore moderate in this but alas....
MACS Offline
#81 Posted:
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Me neither, bro... but how difficult is this? Felon? No gun. Classified as a nut by a licensed doctor? No gun.

The felon case is open and shut. The nut case (see what I did there) can be appealed. If you win, good... if not, suckit.
teddyballgame Offline
#82 Posted:
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by "nut case " are you talking about scrotum?

That is just nasty
Covfireman Offline
#83 Posted:
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Posts: 809
MACS wrote:
Me neither, bro... but how difficult is this? Felon? No gun. Classified as a nut by a licensed doctor? No gun.

The felon case is open and shut. The nut case (see what I did there) can be appealed. If you win, good... if not, suckit.


In theory yes but how about 10 years from now when just wanting to own a gun will get you classified as " gun nut" and they come and take your guns .


Sarcasm
Speyside Offline
#84 Posted:
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^Posts like that will get you classified as a gun nut.Sarcasm
gummy jones Offline
#85 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
San Bernardino? Those folks had their guns bought for them. The guy who bought them plead guilty and will soon be sentenced.


aka straw purchase
aka already a felony
DrafterX Offline
#86 Posted:
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ya, but if we had more laws restricting everybody from gun ownership it wouldn't have happened right..?? Think
gummy jones Offline
#87 Posted:
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yea i member
tailgater Offline
#88 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Frankie Five Legs


He related to Tommy Tripod?
RobertHively Offline
#89 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I know it's difficult for you to understand my proper Columbian English with your poor American school curriculum. But please try to keep up.

Would it help if I tried to use your local vernaculars?

Would it help if I defined vernacular for you?

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