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tailgater Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:15 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
And murderers


They said Vince Foster killed himself.
teedubbya Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:17 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I thought it was you who said "I'd like to fill that hoohaw with ice cream and lick it clean"
My mistake.



Prolly wasn't but if it was I take no issue with that..... "I'd like to" is much different than "I just do it because I want to and I'm powerful"

Crass and vulgar is one thing.... and if you choose to define what he was saying as that I totally get what you are saying. I just define what he said as something much different than that, and it's something I'm not familiar with nor would I accept as normal in my world.
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#53 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:31 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Prolly wasn't but if it was I take no issue with that..... "I'd like to" is much different than "I just do it because I want to and I'm powerful"

Crass and vulgar is one thing.... and if you choose to define what he was saying as that I totally get what you are saying. I just define what he said as something much different than that, and it's something I'm not familiar with nor would I accept as normal in my world.


I simply don't think that words are such a big deal.
He didn't say it to the woman in question.
He said it to another dude.
Who laughed.
he said it in private.
11 years ago.

If it was a precursor to what his actions were, then I think we'd have heard about it by now.
victor809 Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:32 PM EST
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Let's be clear. No one cared about the language. It's about the act of assault, and bragging about the act of assault (in the past tense, implying that it has been performed)

How is this so hard to understand?

People would be just as outraged if he said "I sexually assault the women and I can do that because I'm a star".
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#55 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:39 PM EST
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Didn't he preface the entire thing by saying women would "let him" grab what he wanted because hes a star? "Let him" implying consent not assault?
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#56 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:42 PM EST
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true... true.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:46 PM EST
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Tail we just disagree.... I'm nowhere near PC and don't get too caught up on words.... he was talking about his actions and that's where we differ.... its not about saying it too someone or not...

opel that's a good argument

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
Bush: Whatever you want.
Trump: Grab them by the ****. You can do anything.


I think the "rub" lol is the power position and the I don't even wait I just do it.



I also remember peeps defending cosby until they couldn't anymore and saying where are all the wimmins.... and why didn't they say anything until now..... then they started to come out of the woodwork..... tiger woods while a totally different thing experienced the woodwork effect too.....

I hope I am wrong but I suspect it's going to start and for awhile folks are going to call it convienient and politics (and be partially right)..... but we will see if/when it becomes too much. It is easier for me to beleive this about trump than about cosby frankly.


I hope I am wrong and to quote a great philosopher I am not saying it but people are saying it
victor809 Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:47 PM EST
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Mmmhmmm...
And since he does it without asking, he knows they will "let" him, how?

That happens to your friend or daughter and how would you expect they would react?
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:51 PM EST
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ever met a woman who told you a story about being groped or assaulted by someone in a power position or even just someone they were sort of interested in and they didn't know what to do?
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#60 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:53 PM EST
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I was asking a serious question for the record... I've already stated his comments were horrific and i don't defend him...

I was just now searching for the full transcript of what he said because i don't want to watch or listen with my kids around and everything I've read has a bunch of "..."s in it...

As far as the i don't even wait i just do it, ya, pretty aggressive and kinda rapey...
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#61 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:55 PM EST
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Is "kinda" rapey all that bad?
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:56 PM EST
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I'm also bothered by this.....

Trump: You know I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it. I did try and **** her. She was married.


I know there are scumbags out there that do these things, but to my knowledge no one I would hang with and if I found out someone I did hang with was like this it wouldn't be for long. I'm not saint but this was a 59 year old man talking like this about something he DID do. That's not even considering what his failed move must have been like if he just does what he wants short of penetration.
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#63 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 1:58 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I was asking a serious question for the record... I've already stated his comments were horrific and i don't defend him...

I was just now searching for the full transcript of what he said because i don't want to watch or listen with my kids around and everything I've read has a bunch of "..."s in it...

As far as the i don't even wait i just do it, ya, pretty aggressive and kinda rapey...



I wasn't trying to argue. I was actually considering your statement.
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#64 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:00 PM EST
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The panty bunching is extreme this year, I must say.
Maybe Trump was grabbing some ***** around here?
tailgater Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:03 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm hot and bothered by this.....

Trump: You know I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it. I did try and **** her. She was married.

.


Dude, this ain't the penthouse forums.
Get a room!
victor809 Offline
#66 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:04 PM EST
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Mmmhmmm...
We have to listen for years about Clinton being molestey and then listen for more years about how hillarys husband was molestey, and now that trump is bragging about being molestey it's "panty bunching"....

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#67 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:07 PM EST
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TW... I'm not so bothered by him hitting on a married woman (I mean besides the blatant hypocrisy of him being married, hitting on a married woman, and then trying to use Clinton's infidelity against Hillary)... That's just a relationship thing and between him and his wife.
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#68 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:11 PM EST
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Bit of trivia for you: Simon and Garfunkel almost used "kinda rapey" but at the last minute switched the lyrics to "feelin groovy" and just narrowly avoided sabotaging their careers...
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#69 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:38 PM EST
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some good points brought up here... but if Kate Upton walked up to me and grabbed my junk I wouldn't be talking much.. just sayin.. Mellow
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#70 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:41 PM EST
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I wouldn't want even the second most attractive woman in the world to randomly grab my junk and i can't imagine most women would want that from a man...
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#71 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:45 PM EST
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Where's that BS Flag..?? Think
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#72 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:51 PM EST
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Maybe it's just me... I'm married and wouldn't want my wife to experience someone else having access to my body other than her...

Are you married? What kind of feelings would you have if brad pitt fondled your wife's vagina and she was happy to let him?
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#73 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:51 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
some good points brought up here... but if Kate Upton walked up to me and grabbed my junk I wouldn't be talking much.. just sayin.. Mellow



Kate isn't running for Prez... but Hillary is.... different response?
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#74 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:52 PM EST
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ya.... BARF!
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#75 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:52 PM EST
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Lmao
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#76 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:53 PM EST
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She's probably more likely to engage you in a sword fight...
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#77 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:55 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
TW... I'm not so bothered by him hitting on a married woman (I mean besides the blatant hypocrisy of him being married, hitting on a married woman, and then trying to use Clinton's infidelity against Hillary)... That's just a relationship thing and between him and his wife.



I am sanctimonious about this. I know it happens all the time it just goes against the fiber of my being. You don't try to eff someone else's wife. I think it's even in the bible and stuff..

And yes if the wife allows it (which apparently in this case she didn't) there is a bigger issue in the marriage anyway but none the less. It is one area I readily admit I may be flawed. I judge pretty harshly those that cheat and that's prolly not right. I just do and always have. I tend to gravitate away from such people and would hope my wife does as well.
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#78 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:56 PM EST
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wasn't thinking about the President thing tho.. thought the conversation had moved away from there... But it's hard to believe I'm the only one that's ever been hit on by a woman who maybe brushed or pressed her breasts against me to get my attention... I'm not condoning a man try anything similar to a woman by any means.. but if a chicks breast on your arm or chest really bugs you then your prolly Amish or gay or somethin... Mellow
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#79 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:58 PM EST
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Trump is getting set up for another issue though...... ignore all the wimmins talking about me sexually assaulting them but listen to the ones that Bill did it to.


And none of this excuses the actions of creepy uncle Bill or Hill dog. One doesn't justify or allow the other. I'm also not voting on it, but it does fit my previous view of Trump.
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#80 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:58 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
wasn't thinking about the President thing tho.. thought the conversation had moved away from there... But it's hard to believe I'm the only one that's ever been hit on by a woman who maybe brushed or pressed her breasts against me to get my attention... I'm not condoning a man try anything similar to a woman by any means.. but if a chicks breast on your arm or chest really bugs you then your prolly Amish or gay or somethin... Mellow



have they ever grabbed your p#ssy? What if they took your puppy dog too? There is the whole power and dominance thing in play as well.
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#81 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 2:59 PM EST
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Drafter - Or not interested in feeling other women's breasts maybe? Also, you're a pretty sizeable dude... i think those chicks were just trying to pass by you...
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#82 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:01 PM EST
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Laugh..... well, it hasn't happened recently...
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#83 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:02 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Trump is getting set up for another issue though...... ignore all the wimmins talking about me sexually assaulting them but listen to the ones that Bill did it to.
.




ya, the Hillary camp thought this one thru pretty good.... Mellow
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#84 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:06 PM EST
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It speaks to a profound stupidity...
He knew when Anderson Cooper asked that question the night of the debate that these women existed. He also had to have known that the instant he said that every news organization in the nation would start searching high and low and reaching out to any contact to prove him wrong, because it creates a story.

Not only is he a sexual offender, he's dumb too...
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#85 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:09 PM EST
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what happened to innocent until proven guilty..?? Man, how many times have I heard that in the past year or so..?? Mellow




It's all deflection anyways.. Wiki just released her telling Brazil she'd like a Western Hemisphere with open borders but nobody wants to talk about that... Mellow
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#86 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:12 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
what happened to innocent until proven guilty..?? Man, how many times have I heard that in the past year or so..?? Mellow




It's all deflection anyways.. Wiki just released her telling Brazil she'd like a Western Hemisphere with open borders but nobody wants to talk about that... Mellow



Agreed. Unfortunately we have his words saying he did something even if he was only kidding and stuff..... but I don't think he needs to be jailed for anything.... no one is trying to arrest or jail him to my knowledge


Now don't you have something new to add to the jail hillary mantra?

Like bill paid off the chicks he assaulted which makes him guilty but trump settling similar suits and discrimination suits mean no such thing?
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#87 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:13 PM EST
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ya... but nobody listens anyways... Sad
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#88 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:15 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:

Like bill paid off the chicks he assaulted which makes him guilty but trump settling similar suits and discrimination suits mean no such thing?





Trumps accusers weren't very worried about it until now.. they never filed a police report or anything.. I'm not trying to defend him either.. I expected this to happen... but there's go to be somethin out there otherwise it's just hearsay... Mellow
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#89 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:20 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Trumps accusers weren't very worried about it until now.. they never filed a police report or anything.. I'm not trying to defend him either.. I expected this to happen... but there's go to be somethin out there otherwise it's just hearsay... Mellow



I think that was part of the Cosby defense as well. But you are right, I am not even saying the women coming forward are correct (although a lot of people are...I'm not but people are saying it... I repeat not me but lots of people Lots and lots of people are saying it), I dunno if they are or not. You may discount them because of no police report. How many women have been groped when they didn't want it and never filed a report?



Maybe the women are opportunists, certainly the ones bill attacked are not but Trumps prolly are..... and the people he paid off for similar reasons and for discrimination etc.... opportunists...

Many of the Cosby accusers were silent until they saw him attacking the wimmins that did come out. The were ashamed prior to that and just put it behind them the best they could.

Trump deserves the benefit of the doubt because he has earned it
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#90 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:23 PM EST
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none that I groped have... Mellow


just kiddin... I just find the timing interesting is all.... we talked about about it right after we heard that tapes.. and sure enough here we are... Mellow
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#91 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:24 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
none that I groped have... Mellow


just kiddin... I just find the timing interesting is all.... we talked about about it right after we heard that tapes.. and sure enough here we are... Mellow



It certainly is convenient AND political. No doubt about it. But there is also the possibility that a woman or two hearing the tape and then hearing trump say even though he said he acted like that he was just kidding to be cool and stuff and would never do that might decide it's the right time.

They will be smearing him, but he will certainly be smearing them as well. Already is.
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#92 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:27 PM EST
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It does remind me of Reid making up that story about Romney tho.. even if it's not true the damage is done.. Mellow
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#93 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:28 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
It does remind me of Reid making up that story about Romney tho.. even if it's not true the damage is done.. Mellow



Did Reid have a tape of Romney saying he did it and people coming forward saying absolutely he did?
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#94 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:28 PM EST
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That's why I'm going public with it. Drafter touched me.
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#95 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:30 PM EST
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The sad part is Hillary sux and would have been easy to beat.

The basket of deplorables and the wiki stuff would have killed her like the binders full of women and 47%..... Hills is way worse than Romneys.... then there is trump. big league of his own.
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#96 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:30 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
That's why I'm going public with it. Drafter touched me.



and you let him?
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#97 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:32 PM EST
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drafter's a star... you don't say no to that... plus he said you were brushing your boobs up against him...
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#98 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:33 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
drafter's a star... you don't say no to that... plus he said you were brushing your boobs up against him...



that was my ass... its just more fleshy than most
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#99 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:36 PM EST
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are you that tall or is drafter that short?
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#100 Posted: Thu, Oct 13 2016, 3:38 PM EST
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he was in CROS wheel chair


this quote by trump today is compelling LOL

""Take a look, you take a look, look at her, look at her words -- you tell me what you think. I don't think so," "

it reminds me of the Carly Fiorina quote LOL
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