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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 9:45 PM EST
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Obama.. if he didn't step in Bernie would be the candidate... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#52 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 9:51 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
In virtually every way. Trump has no value.

I actually think hill dog is more conservative than trump which isn't saying much.

I do understand folks liking him as the sand in the vasoline candidate but come on. Enough is enough.


This sounds like anti-Trump rhetoric. The question remains, "How is she a better choice to you?"
teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 9:53 PM EST
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Drafter is cool. He hates Hillary enough to look past everything trump says or does and I totally get that, I just can't do it even though I hate her too.

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#54 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 9:54 PM EST
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do you worry that his only upside is that he is not her?

we need more than one more party to select from four years from now!
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#55 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 9:56 PM EST
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Trump wants to secure the borders and renegotiate some trade deals. . Is that bad..?? Hillary is gathering votes by following Bernie's socialisms... more free stuff is hard to beat I guess. .. Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#56 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:00 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
do you worry that his only upside is that he is not her?

we need more than one more party to select from four years from now!



Exactly. Unfortunately, it's virtually impossible for 3rd, 4th etc party candidates to get any traction.
teedubbya Offline
#57 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:04 PM EST
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Abrig we can litigate this again all you want. I like the way you wanted to present it previously but reject it. I don't agree with your premise.

Don offers nothing and is an embarrassment at best dangerous at worst. He is not a serious candidate and the joke has gone too far.

I'm not in the business of defending Hillary, but at least a serious candidate. You don't have to agree with her, and I know in some circles folks paint a different picture but she was a respected Secretary of State, Senator and First Lady albeit with controversy and detractors.

Donald offers nothing of value. 15 of the 17 running against him in the primaries did offer something better that ****bag Clinton. He simply doesn't.

So I won't take the bait defending Clinton and am firmly anti trump. I don't have to prove someone is better than the devil. The fact it's the devil is good enough for me.
MACS Offline
#58 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:08 PM EST
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And to many... SHE is the devil.
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:09 PM EST
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I do think we will all be embarrassed by this election ultimately.

The children drove the bus
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:09 PM EST
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And it's sad.... everyone wanted change and here it is. . But it's not good enough change. . Perhaps he shoulda run against McAfee and The Johnson... Mellow
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#61 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:10 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Exactly. Unfortunately, it's virtually impossible for 3rd, 4th etc party candidates to get any traction.

unless they get enough votes to get $$$ and a spot on the debate stage...
they won't win this time, nor next time, but they will never get that traction unless they get votes now.
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:11 PM EST
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Macs I'm cool with that. I hate her enough to understand it.

I hated trump before he leveraged being a failed businessman into being a successful entertainer and entering politics.

I ain't mad at you and am not pro Hillary. I'm just completely repulsed by trump.
teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:11 PM EST
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Trump isn't change.
DrafterX Offline
#64 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:13 PM EST
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What is gonna happen with the Supreme court is what everyone should be thinking about. .. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#65 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:17 PM EST
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They should have considered obamas nominee. It looking pretty decent at this point.

And why not just elect justices directly if that's good enough reason to look past everything you are willing to look past.
teedubbya Offline
#66 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:20 PM EST
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This was the year for the republicans to win the presidency.

The ds anointed Hillary. All we had to do is nominate someone other than sub human. And in a bizarre twist we nominated someone sub human.

Sigh
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:21 PM EST
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Morton Downy jr would have been a better choice.
frankj1 Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:22 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
This was the year for the republicans to win the presidency.

The ds anointed Hillary. All we had to do is nominate someone other than sub human. And in a bizarre twist we nominated someone sub human.

Sigh

8 effin' years
Abrignac Offline
#69 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:23 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Abrig we can litigate this again all you want. I like the way you wanted to present it previously but reject it. I don't agree with your premise.

Don offers nothing and is an embarrassment at best dangerous at worst. He is not a serious candidate and the joke has gone too far.

I'm not in the business of defending Hillary, but at least a serious candidate. You don't have to agree with her, and I know in some circles folks paint a different picture but she was a respected Secretary of State, Senator and First Lady albeit with controversy and detractors.

Donald offers nothing of value. 15 of the 17 running against him in the primaries did offer something better that ****bag Clinton. He simply doesn't.

So I won't take the bait defending Clinton and am firmly anti trump. I don't have to prove someone is better than the devil. The fact it's the devil is good enough for me.



I get where you're coming from. If it were anyone, but Trump putting forth his platform I'd be happy. And you're correct; he is a joke. He's much too arrogant and has the social skills of an ogre.

At the end of the day one votes not for the candidate, but what direction we want the pendulum to swing. Too me Hillary represents all that is bad for this country. She represents taking from those who have produced and giving to those who have not to buy their vote. IMHO we as a country have done more to help non-citizens at the expense of our seniors and service men. Hillary's globalization efforts will go even further.

As far as character is concerned, I believe Hillary is worse than Trump. Never thought that was possible. We know the primaries were rigged in her favor, she sold her soul to the devil by attacking her husband's victims, her and her husband have become super wealthy in a relatively short period of time. Anyone who believes she they didn't aquire that wealth by selling access is either stupid are delusional.

Certainly I could go on, but for what reason. Minds are made up. The election is a month away. We'll know the outcome soon enough.
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#70 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:26 PM EST
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I feel sick.
Abrignac Offline
#71 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:29 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I feel sick.



Glad to hear you're not stupid or delusional.




Sarcasm
frankj1 Offline
#72 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:32 PM EST
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I think we're alone now
Abrignac Offline
#73 Posted: Fri, Oct 7 2016, 10:36 PM EST
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Prolly so. I'm thinking I'll finish my beer, watch the sky diving video once more and go to sleep.
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#74 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 2:00 AM EST
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You guys still have me... <3
DrafterX Offline
#75 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 8:50 AM EST
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Laugh



Poor JJ.... Sad
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 9:51 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
For all the noise I had to listen to about Bill Clinton allegedly sexually assaulting women, and all the delicate investigations the Republicans went through to try and convict him of it... I'm glad to see that they are all willing to castigate Trump for both admitting to and bragging about doing it.... While married...


"Allegedly"
You're a hoot.
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#77 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 10:02 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Hillary is such a ****bag I can understand supporting most anyone over her. But it's trump. The sexual predator thing is probably one of his best characteristics.

It's Donald trump for Fuchs sake.



So by your own assessment we end up with a sexual predator in the White House, but with Hilldog....we get a predator in the !st Predator Bill Clinton AND a lying Socialist Sh*tbag POTUS?
tailgater Offline
#78 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 10:02 AM EST
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Some people want to vote for Hillary.
I say fine. Good for them. They have a candidate they like.

But for ANYONE unhappy with how our federal government operates, Trump is the only choice.
(other than using this election as a "rebuilding year" of sorts for a third party).

We all claim to want a non-politician. But whenever one throws their hat in the ring we balk. We get angry at words spoken over a decade ago. When he was not a candidate.

The only difference between the things Trump says and the things Hillary says is that she has been in politics for 150 years and knows when to keep her trap shut. She's a vile human being who enabled her sexual predator husband, yet words spoken by a private citizen years ago will be considered to be worse.
Words are apparently worse than actions in today's world.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will apparently kill me.

Buncha pansies.

Trump is an egomaniac. Tell me who has resided in the white house who wasn't.
Can you imagine the things that JFK SAID and even DID? Trump isn't in his league in terms of treating women like objects.

People need to get over themselves.

Hillary is a slick criminal who puts personal gain over national security.
Trump is a blow hard.

Perspective.
America has lost it.
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#79 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 10:06 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
I get where you're coming from. If it were anyone, but Trump putting forth his platform I'd be happy. And you're correct; he is a joke. He's much too arrogant and has the social skills of an ogre.

At the end of the day one votes not for the candidate, but what direction we want the pendulum to swing. Too me Hillary represents all that is bad for this country. She represents taking from those who have produced and giving to those who have not to buy their vote. IMHO we as a country have done more to help non-citizens at the expense of our seniors and service men. Hillary's globalization efforts will go even further.

As far as character is concerned, I believe Hillary is worse than Trump. Never thought that was possible. We know the primaries were rigged in her favor, she sold her soul to the devil by attacking her husband's victims, her and her husband have become super wealthy in a relatively short period of time. Anyone who believes she they didn't aquire that wealth by selling access is either stupid are delusional.

Certainly I could go on, but for what reason. Minds are made up. The election is a month away. We'll know the outcome soon enough.




Anthony, you very concisely hit the nail direct center on the head in your assessment of both individuals


tailgater wrote:
Some people want to vote for Hillary.
I say fine. Good for them. They have a candidate they like.

But for ANYONE unhappy with how our federal government operates, Trump is the only choice.
(other than using this election as a "rebuilding year" of sorts for a third party).

We all claim to want a non-politician. But whenever one throws their hat in the ring we balk. We get angry at words spoken over a decade ago. When he was not a candidate.

The only difference between the things Trump says and the things Hillary says is that she has been in politics for 150 years and knows when to keep her trap shut. She's a vile human being who enabled her sexual predator husband, yet words spoken by a private citizen years ago will be considered to be worse.
Words are apparently worse than actions in today's world.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will apparently kill me.

Buncha pansies.

Trump is an egomaniac. Tell me who has resided in the white house who wasn't.
Can you imagine the things that JFK SAID and even DID? Trump isn't in his league in terms of treating women like objects.

People need to get over themselves.

Hillary is a slick criminal who puts personal gain over national security.
Trump is a blow hard.

Perspective.
America has lost it.

***********************************************


Have to agree, and given the fact if hi tech social media that travels across the country in literally minutes existed back then or earlier....we'd likely have a differing opinion of MANY of our past leaders.
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#80 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 10:56 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Some people want to vote for Hillary.
I say fine. Good for them. They have a candidate they like.

But for ANYONE unhappy with how our federal government operates, Trump is the only choice.
(other than using this election as a "rebuilding year" of sorts for a third party).

We all claim to want a non-politician. But whenever one throws their hat in the ring we balk. We get angry at words spoken over a decade ago. When he was not a candidate.

The only difference between the things Trump says and the things Hillary says is that she has been in politics for 150 years and knows when to keep her trap shut. She's a vile human being who enabled her sexual predator husband, yet words spoken by a private citizen years ago will be considered to be worse.
Words are apparently worse than actions in today's world.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will apparently kill me.

Buncha pansies.

Trump is an egomaniac. Tell me who has resided in the white house who wasn't.
Can you imagine the things that JFK SAID and even DID? Trump isn't in his league in terms of treating women like objects.

People need to get over themselves.

Hillary is a slick criminal who puts personal gain over national security.
Trump is a blow hard.

Perspective.
America has lost it.




Yup, and if Hillary was married to Trump, she'd be calling out the women Trumo spoke about.
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#81 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 11:47 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Trump isn't change.




He most certainly will NOT be another four years of Obama failed policies....she will dbl down.
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#82 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 12:17 PM EST
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Tail... As neither Clinton is in jail, and neither has been found guilty of a crime of sexual assault, the correct term is allegedly. I'm pretty sure I had to listen to a bunch of whining about hearings for said charges.

Now trump, without anyone even charging him with the crime, freely admits to it.

I would expect an equivalent amount of outrage... If you're out, I'm sure le HD can sell you some.
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#83 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 12:28 PM EST
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Anyone saying America has lost perspective if they don't vote Trump loses me right there.

They both suck. You can choose either over the other and it makes some sense.

There is nothing that could convince me to vote for trump. I actually understand folks who feel the same about Hillary. I tended to agree with them until the republicans chose Trump.

It's a hot mess.
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#84 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 1:19 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Macs I'm cool with that. I hate her enough to understand it.

I hated trump before he leveraged being a failed businessman into being a successful entertainer and entering politics.

I ain't mad at you and am not pro Hillary. I'm just completely repulsed by trump.


I don't get the part about a failed businessman. Four of how many subsidiaries failed?

According to: http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/03/news/economy/donald-trump-jobs-created/

Trump is responsible for upwards of 67,000 jobs and $9.5B in revenue.

I get that you don't like him, but I'm thinking he rates right up near the top in terms of business success. He even out earned Kravis, Kohlberg & Roberts.
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#85 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 1:39 PM EST
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And he has a hot wife... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#86 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 1:58 PM EST
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His business bankruptcies and he in general have been the butt of jokes for decades. His pop bailed him out more than just the handful of bankruptcies. It is amazing how not just he, but others can create a narrative.

He's just flat out not a serious candidate. He is and always has been a joke. But the joke has gone too far. I understand the desperation and in some ways join in it. But come on man this is trump.

With time this will be even more embarrassing.
teedubbya Offline
#87 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 2:05 PM EST
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But I will concede he has a lot of mone. He started with much much more than he says, lost a ton along the way, has much less now than he says and conned folks all along the way. But he is rich and has been since the day he was born.
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#88 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 2:19 PM EST
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Ya.. but he never had anybody whacked... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#89 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 2:25 PM EST
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I heard Hillary has eaten more kitty than bill.
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#90 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 2:29 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard Hillary has eaten more kitty than bill.


What's wrong with a little kitty munching?
teedubbya Offline
#91 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 2:31 PM EST
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Picture it. It's Hillary.
DrafterX Offline
#92 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 2:33 PM EST
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I heard she and Rosie were close... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#93 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 2:41 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard she and Rosie were close... Mellow



But no cigar.
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#94 Posted: Sat, Oct 8 2016, 5:26 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
But no cigar.

excellent!
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#95 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 4:18 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Anyone saying America has lost perspective if they don't vote Trump loses me right there.

They both suck. You can choose either over the other and it makes some sense.

There is nothing that could convince me to vote for trump. I actually understand folks who feel the same about Hillary. I tended to agree with them until the republicans chose Trump.

It's a hot mess.


Ooh. I lost TW.
Maybe he's with Cros.


But I hear ya.
You hate the Don.
He's no walk in the park, that's for sure.

But help me understand.
What has he done or said that makes him worse than Hillary?
Given that Hillary's warts have affected National Security. And American lives.
I'm curious how a blow hard can somehow be worse that that?
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#96 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 4:27 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tail... As neither Clinton is in jail, and neither has been found guilty of a crime of sexual assault, the correct term is allegedly. I'm pretty sure I had to listen to a bunch of whining about hearings for said charges.

Now trump, without anyone even charging him with the crime, freely admits to it.

I would expect an equivalent amount of outrage... If you're out, I'm sure le HD can sell you some.


I need no outrage for Bill Clinton's sexual misgivings.
They don't matter to me.

But I do have a problem when people get outraged over Trumps decade old words while ignoring the hypocrisy from Hillary. Because she attacked women who were sexually assaulted by her husband. Which is simply worse than having Trump say filthy things to another dude.

As for no jail time?
Do you call OJ an "alleged" murderer?
Do we call you the guy who "allegedly" posted a picture of homeless junk?
Is TW our friend who mailed out a fuzzy butt plug that he "allegedly" had his way with?
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#97 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 4:50 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tail... As neither Clinton is in jail, and neither has been found guilty of a crime of sexual assault, the correct term is allegedly. I'm pretty sure I had to listen to a bunch of whining about hearings for said charges.

Now trump, without anyone even charging him with the crime, freely admits to it.

I would expect an equivalent amount of outrage... If you're out, I'm sure le HD can sell you some.


Do you still believe Bill Cosby is innocent too?

Bill did have sex with "that" woman, in the people's house and on the peoples time. Clintons peccadilloes and Hillary's condemnation of Bill's many victims, is not one isolated case trumped up like the attack on Clarence Thomas.
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#98 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 4:55 PM EST
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It is amazing to me how those 11 year old comments are somehow worse than a Criminal FBI investigation.. even tho she was given a get out of jail free card from Obama it's there.. blows me away..

If Trump bowed out it would look really really bad... I can't see it happening. ..
Gene363 Offline
#99 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:02 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
It is amazing to me how those 11 year old comments are somehow worse than a Criminal FBI investigation.. even tho she was given a get out of jail free card from Obama it's there.. blows me away..

If Trump bowed out it would look really really bad... I can't see it happening. ..


The support of the Clintons is stunning, it like they have a spell on people. I Old Scratch is keeping up his end of the bargain with them, but one he'll collect his due.
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#100 Posted: Sun, Oct 9 2016, 5:05 PM EST
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I like they're latest response to the newly released incriminating e-mails. .. they're saying the e-mails are fabricated and untrue. . And their sheeples will believe them... Mellow
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