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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 5:29 PM EST
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This seems dangerous and unnecessary to me, am I missing something?
victor809 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 5:32 PM EST
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Gotta agree there. Given the conditions and the fact that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise, this seems an unnecessary risk to their safety.
tonygraz Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 5:47 PM EST
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Might give them something to think about.
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#4 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 5:51 PM EST
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Why is the media showing pictures of police officers involved in shootings?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_sMpQmNFzU&list=RDg_sMpQmNFzU

Everybody can can
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 7:49 PM EST
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Nearly a thousand times this year, an American police officer has shot and killed a civilian.

When the people hired to protect their communities end up killing someone, they can be called heroes or criminals — a judgment that has never come more quickly or searingly than in this era of viral video, body cameras and dash cams. A single bullet fired at the adrenaline-charged apex of a chase can end a life, wreck a career, spark a riot, spike racial tensions and alter the politics of the nation.

In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt....

Think
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 7:51 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Might give them something to think about.



You sound like one of them anti-police peoples to me.... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:00 AM EST
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Tony, why would you say that? Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. To endanger the officers by showing their picture is reckless and dangerous.
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:06 AM EST
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He's already judged and convicted them... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:08 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Tony, why would you say that? Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. To endanger the officers by showing their picture is reckless and dangerous.




He's just showing who he really is, no surprise there. He's an angry evil tunnel visioned little creep who jumps to conclusions just like some of the BLM folks...was anyone really expecting anything different from him????
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#10 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:20 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Nearly a thousand times this year, an American police officer has shot and killed a civilian.

When the people hired to protect their communities end up killing someone, they can be called heroes or criminals — a judgment that has never come more quickly or searingly than in this era of viral video, body cameras and dash cams. A single bullet fired at the adrenaline-charged apex of a chase can end a life, wreck a career, spark a riot, spike racial tensions and alter the politics of the nation.

In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt....

Think


How many of those killed by a police officer were shot while committing a crime?
zitotczito Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:26 AM EST
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This is just another part of the left's plan to destroy this country. You are seeing the end of this once great country unfold right before your eyes.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:29 AM EST
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If they were wielding a weapon in front of a cop I'm pretty sure that's a crime.. running from a cop I bet is a crime.. attempting to allude..?? not sure what it would be on foot other than just not complying to an order...
the suicidal and mentally ill is the tough one... not sure anyone could be trained enough to handle as many different scenarios that could unfold there.... Mellow



It's gotta be tough to be a cop these days.. How many gangs have a bounty on badges right now..?? Or just the terrorist wanna-be dudes... Mellow
rfenst Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:34 AM EST
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Never mind the media. Why are the police departments even releasing the photos?
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#14 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:35 AM EST
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zitotczito wrote:
This is just another part of the left's plan to destroy this country. You are seeing the end of this once great country unfold right before your eyes.


Better save one of your bullets for yourself then.
zitotczito Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:43 AM EST
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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/muslim-terror-attacks-London/2016/09/21/id/749462/?ns_mail_uid=101025522&ns_mail_job=1689101_09222016&s=al&dkt_nbr=ajehr5lh

The Mayor of London says it all, now a part of everyday life.

Regarding the bullet for myself, I am in a rural area so it will be awhile before the creep of destruction gets to me, but I am prepared.
Speyside Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:43 AM EST
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In Charlotte the picture I saw on CNN was a college photo. But rfenst posts a good question.
TMCTLT Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:44 AM EST
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zitotczito wrote:
This is just another part of the left's plan to destroy this country. You are seeing the end of this once great country unfold right before your eyes.




Couldn't agree more, under Obama we've seen an endless barrage of supposed " social justice " bullsh*t from day one. Issues that while mildly divided on many he used the media and EVERY form of communication to manipulate his mental midgets who've supported him undaunted to create " The Great Divide " even though it doesn't exist!!!!

He has NOT missed a single opportunity to divide this country rather by Race / Sexuality / Wealth / Religion you name it. His hopes were to no doubt stir up as much social unrest as possible all so HE can look like the Great Healer of our Nation, when in truth he's damaged our Nation to the point where it will take a looooong time to repair if @ all.
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#18 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:46 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Tony, why would you say that? Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. To endanger the officers by showing their picture is reckless and dangerous.


They show pictures of people arrested (most likely if they are black) before they are proven guilty.

Of course a blustering brainless TCBY would always have a racist commentary about everything.
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#19 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:46 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
In Charlotte the picture I saw on CNN was a college photo. But rfenst posts a good question.



I think they're doing it to somehow look " more transparent " to try to appease the angry Mobs who are looking for a reason to escalate things. But.... a BAD idea all the way around!!!




tonygraz wrote:
Might give them something to think about.



tonygraz wrote:
They show pictures of people arrested (most likely if they are black) before they are proven guilty.

Of course a blustering brainless TCBY would always have a racist commentary about everything.





You say crap like the above.....and then accuse others of being " brainless " LMOWFAO @ YOU

BTW....Mr. Racecard, what did I say that was RACIST?
gummy jones Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:00 AM EST
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what better way to sell division than to show actual pictures of people who are "different" despite the fact that their differences are infinitesimally small as compared to their similarities
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#21 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:00 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
They show pictures of people arrested... before they are proven guilty.


Interesting point.
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#22 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:02 AM EST
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accordingly, why are we always shown smiling, 5th grade pictures of the perps and hardass, uniformed pics of the officers?
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:05 AM EST
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If you really think the left or the right has plans to destroy this country you may want to take a look at yourself. Difference in opinion, politics or approach is one thing but if having a different opinion, politics or approach to you is that insidious to you than perhaps your compass is off a bit.
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#24 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:08 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
accordingly, why are we always shown smiling, 5th grade pictures of the perps and hardass, uniformed pics of the officers?



prolly availability. someone makes the "perp" (already an assumption of being wrong) pictures available that wants a soft image.... the officer pictures are presumably provided by the department and they had the hard ass pictures taken because that's what they wanted


just a guess and certainly not the case in every instance
TMCTLT Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:08 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Interesting point.




BUT....they HAVE BEEN ARRESTED.....right?? Or are we now saying that LE just goes around routinely arresting folks for NO REASON ? Anyone with the ability to think clearly can understand why this is NOT a case of apples to apples, again.....are there Bad LEO's???? YES and when that is determined to be the case the LAW again does it's job to either remove them from duty or arrest and prosecute them just like anyone else depending on the crime committed. When accused of wrongdoing the officer is taken off regular duty and reassigned until the case has closed.
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#26 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:11 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
..... Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt....

Think



That last part is one that has often given me pause. In peacetime environment, when I was armed, providing physical security in the Navy, the rules regarding application of deadly force were 'stricter' than that.

I don't recall the exact legal wording, but there were three or four situations in which I knew I'd be justified in using lethal force; to defend myself or other innocents from imminent deadly force; to prevent the escape of a fleeing person whom I reasonably believed would pose a significant threat of deadly force to others; and to prevent loss of 'special stuff' (probably not the technical term used at the time...but referred to classified and/or nasty weapon-related things.)

It was quite clear that I couldn't legally shoot someone just for fleeing. But that seems to happen a lot...(or is that just on TV shows?)
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#27 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:13 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
BUT....they HAVE BEEN ARRESTED.....right?? Or are we now saying that LE just goes around routinely arresting folks for NO REASON ? Anyone with the ability to think clearly can understand why this is NOT a case of apples to apples, again.....are there Bad LEO's???? YES and when that is determined to be the case the LAW again does it's job to either remove them from duty or arrest and prosecute them just like anyone else depending on the crime committed. When accused of wrongdoing the officer is taken off regular duty and reassigned until the case has closed.



I partially agree with you but yes there are many MANY arrests that never result in charges. I'm not talking false arrests but arrests in which a case can never be made. Innocent until proven guilty is a cornerstone here.

And you make the point yourself, officers will typically (rightfully so in my mind) get the benefit of the doubt and have a latter arrest window than John Q Public. Instead of arrest they are behind a desk. That is a complaint from the protesters. They believe the tulsa cop should already be arrested until things are sorted out and if it was the other way arround they would be. I disagree but get the argument.

The flip side is transparency. I'd argue John Q.Public deserves MORE privacy than a public official performing their duty.


But it is arguable and I could respect which ever side of the argument you fall.
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#28 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:16 AM EST
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A guy was shot for fleeing in Muskogee a few years ago.. but while he was running his gun fell out of his pocket and he stopped to pick it up.. didn't point it at the cops but that was enough for them to take him out... he shoulda just kept running... Mellow
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#29 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:18 AM EST
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I was a lineman for the county
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#30 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:19 AM EST
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As far as pics go, I see pics of suspected peoples on TV all the time... usually robbers and stuff wanted for questioning... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:23 AM EST
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poor CROS
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#32 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:28 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
prolly availability. someone makes the "perp" (already an assumption of being wrong) pictures available that wants a soft image.... the officer pictures are presumably provided by the department and they had the hard ass pictures taken because that's what they wanted


just a guess and certainly not the case in every instance


perpetrator: noun. 1. a person who perpetrates, or commits, an illegal, criminal, or evil act

to be honest the one thing most of these events have in common is the commission of some sort of crime. most of the crimes, in and of themselves, rarely (if i am to guess) result in death of the perp. it is the actions afterwards that change the situation. there is a growing lawlessness in this country: no respect for authority (teachers, parents, cops, etc). it is evident in the majority of these events. that is not to say that there is no fault on the officers' parts but if officers have guns drawn on me im most likely to lay on the ground and be very respectful - not turn my back and walk away (assuming im not on pcp, etc).

as far as photo availability, its funny that when you google the perp/victim's name the first thing to come up is often their facebook page rife with photos of them doing not so nice things. never once do their elementary school photos appear; that is, until the media gets them. guess the media doesnt have google.
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#33 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:46 AM EST
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Running from the cops.

This is a tough one.
On one hand, it doesn't seem right to shoot somebody just for running away.
On the other hand, if there isn't the fear of being shot then why would anybody ever stop when they're told? Just run.

And if only the fast criminals are able to get away by running, then aren't we allowing nature to produce a breed of super fast criminals over just a few generations?

I am, of course, speaking of a fictitious future based on a comical twist to Natural Selection.

Jimmy the Greek, however, might use this to justify his historical perspective.
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#34 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 8:55 AM EST
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they could just shoot them in da leg or somethin... Mellow
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#35 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 9:01 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Never mind the media. Why are the police departments even releasing the photos?


Freedom of information?
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 9:15 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
perpetrator: noun. 1. a person who perpetrates, or commits, an illegal, criminal, or evil act

.




Exactly.... assumption that they did something wrong.... presumed guilty
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#37 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 9:24 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Exactly.... assumption that they did something wrong.... presumed guilty


do you not agree that all policing requires some degree of presumption and rightfully so?

maybe officer wilson should have requested a trial by jury for micheal brown before responding to the strong armed robbery call.
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#38 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 9:39 AM EST
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I'm not saying anything of the sort. but in once case it's a perp and the other its an officer. I made my thought clear above but there are different standards.
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#39 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 9:51 AM EST
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i think these always start as perp vs officer and normally end that way as well

however, there are certainly cases where it evolves into perp vs perp - or at least it should be seen that way
teedubbya Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 10:10 AM EST
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that's not what I am saying. I'm going with the connotation of the words.
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#41 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 10:24 AM EST
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you're perving this perp thing all up... Not talking
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#42 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 10:26 AM EST
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I'm sorry
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#43 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 10:46 AM EST
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Aren't the pictures of arrested people or people wanted for questioning?
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#44 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 5:48 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
That last part is one that has often given me pause. In peacetime environment, when I was armed, providing physical security in the Navy, the rules regarding application of deadly force were 'stricter' than that.

I don't recall the exact legal wording, but there were three or four situations in which I knew I'd be justified in using lethal force; to defend myself or other innocents from imminent deadly force; to prevent the escape of a fleeing person whom I reasonably believed would pose a significant threat of deadly force to others; and to prevent loss of 'special stuff' (probably not the technical term used at the time...but referred to classified and/or nasty weapon-related things.)

It was quite clear that I couldn't legally shoot someone just for fleeing. But that seems to happen a lot...(or is that just on TV shows?)


Sounds a lot like MP rules.
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#45 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:20 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
He's just showing who he really is, no surprise there. He's an angry evil tunnel visioned little creep who jumps to conclusions just like some of the BLM folks...was anyone really expecting anything different from him????


The gods of irony smile brightly upon us today folks.
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#46 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:30 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
The gods of irony smile brightly upon us today folks.



He's incapable of understanding your point.
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#47 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:32 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Might give them something to think about.



Yea like whether or not they really get paid enough to be vilified, shot at etc.

People like you are the type who love to criticize the very same group of people who you're gonna call when someone scarey looking yells boo. What will you do when you make that call and no one shows up. Most recent reports show law enforcement agencies at or near historic low staffing levels. The SO and PD here as well as the state police are all at least 10% below their billeted strength. From what I'm hearing all of these agencies are all experiencing increasingly higher loss to gain ratios.

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#48 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:40 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Never mind the media. Why are the police departments even releasing the photos?



Winner winner chicken dinner!!!!
banderl Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:42 PM EST
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Around here being a cop is a highly desired job.
When my Kid was applying and testing there would be 100 guys there for each position.
He's been a cop for a little over two years and will make over 90k this year.
He does work a lot of OT.
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#50 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 7:46 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
They show pictures of people arrested (most likely if they are black) before they are proven guilty.

Of course a blustering brainless TCBY would always have a racist commentary about everything.



If the officer hasn't charged why should his/her picture be made public?

Of course I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting on an intelligent response from the op as I'm pretty sure one won't be forthcoming.
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