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Trump used $258,000 from his charity to settle legal problems
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banderl Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 2:27 PM EST
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Donald Trump spent more than a quarter-million dollars from his charitable foundation to settle lawsuits that involved the billionaire’s for-profit businesses, according to interviews and a review of legal documents.

Those cases, which together used $258,000 from Trump’s charity, were among four newly documented expenditures in which Trump may have violated laws against “self-dealing” — which prohibit nonprofit leaders from using charity money to benefit themselves or their businesses.

In one case, from 2007, Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club faced $120,000 in unpaid fines from the town of Palm Beach, Fla., resulting from a dispute over the size of a flagpole.

In a settlement, Palm Beach agreed to waive those fines — if Trump’s club made a $100,000 donation to a specific charity for veterans. Instead, Trump sent a check from the Donald J. Trump Foundation, a charity funded almost entirely by other people’s money...................







http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-used-dollar258000-from-his-charity-to-settle-legal-problems/ar-BBwoEhi?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SK2DDHP
Speyside Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 2:29 PM EST
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No suprise.
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 2:30 PM EST
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It's peanuts to him telling me it was likely just a mistake if he even personally knew about it at all.
tonygraz Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 2:39 PM EST
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Does that include the 25k to the Florida attorney general who the dropped the Trump U. case and got a subsequent party at a Trump resort for contributions? Trump got fined for listing the 25k as a charitable contribution.
MACS Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 2:48 PM EST
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Still better than the Clinton Foundation. LOL
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 2:52 PM EST
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hell, Michelle Obama spent more than that of tax payer moneys on lobsters at da Waldorf... Not talking
banderl Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 2:55 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Still better than the Clinton Foundation. LOL



Please give the rest of us the inside scoop on this.
TIA
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 3:39 PM EST
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Meh...prolly confused it with the catering for lunch!
cacman Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 3:43 PM EST
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Trump and the US borrow money from China.
Clinton receives money from China through her "foundation".

Which is worse?
tailgater Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 4:00 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Please give the rest of us the inside scoop on this.
TIA


Inside scoop?

Only if you live in a cave.
tailgater Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 4:05 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Donald Trump spent more than a quarter-million dollars from his charitable foundation to settle lawsuits that involved the billionaire’s for-profit businesses, according to interviews and a review of legal documents.

Those cases, which together used $258,000 from Trump’s charity, were among four newly documented expenditures in which Trump may have violated laws against “self-dealing” — which prohibit nonprofit leaders from using charity money to benefit themselves or their businesses.

In one case, from 2007, Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club faced $120,000 in unpaid fines from the town of Palm Beach, Fla., resulting from a dispute over the size of a flagpole.

In a settlement, Palm Beach agreed to waive those fines — if Trump’s club made a $100,000 donation to a specific charity for veterans. Instead, Trump sent a check from the Donald J. Trump Foundation, a charity funded almost entirely by other people’s money...................

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-used-dollar258000-from-his-charity-to-settle-legal-problems/ar-BBwoEhi?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SK2DDHP



Funny thing.
You are so obsessed with slamming Trump that you failed to even react to what you've written here.

Palm Beach was going to fine Trump $120,000.
Over the size of a flagpole.

Nothing else that follows matters.
banderl Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 4:16 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Inside scoop?

Only if you live in a cave.



Just the facts, Ma'am.
banderl Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 4:19 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Funny thing.
You are so obsessed with slamming Trump that you failed to even react to what you've written here.

Palm Beach was going to fine Trump $120,000.
Over the size of a flagpole.

Nothing else that follows matters.





Just reporting the news.
I know that it was over the size of the flagpole, I read what I post.
It doesn't really matter what the fine was for, what matters is how Agent Orange paid for it. He seems to have a habit of paying his bills with other people's money. Seems more than a little fishy to me, but that's just my opinion.
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 4:29 PM EST
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So as long as it's something you like laws are irrelevant
Gene363 Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 4:31 PM EST
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Just $258,000? Phhiif, sounds like a tip rather than a payment.
Abrignac Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 7:14 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Just reporting the news.
I know that it was over the size of the flagpole, I read what I post.
It doesn't really matter what the fine was for, what matters is how Agent Orange paid for it. He seems to have a habit of paying his bills with other people's money. Seems more than a little fishy to me, but that's just my opinion.



But in your mind it's ok for Hillary to funnel hundreds of millions of foreign dollars through the foundation?
Speyside Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 7:26 PM EST
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What law did she break?
gummy jones Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 8:35 PM EST
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thats almost enough money to buy a spaghetti dinner at a clinton foundation rally
tailgater Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 8:39 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
So as long as it's something you like laws are irrelevant


Who's corn hole did you ferret this conclusion from?

Who likes what? What are you even saying?
We're talking a flagpole. Nobody likes or dislikes it.
Try to keep up.

It's probably an ordinance, rather than a law anyway. And it obviously carries a fine.
But how does the fine for an oversized flagpole exceed $100k? In real life adult world, that would require about 1,000 years of noncompliance.



But even if it's legit, when you're telling a story and within the context "$100k fine for over sized flagpole" gets mentioned, it is part of the man-laws that you stop and discuss that little tidbit for a while.


rfenst Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 8:44 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Just $258,000? Phhiif, sounds like a tip rather than a payment.


Can I be your waiter next time you have dinner out?
Krazeehorse Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 9:02 PM EST
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They would waive the "fines" if he made a "donation". Well it sounds like he worked the system but may not have broken any laws. When you are in business you pay all your bills with someone else's money if you want to look at it that way. If you have a rental property and you're taking rent from people and use it to pay the mortgage of the home you're living in are you not making your house payment with "someone else's money"?
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#22 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 9:11 PM EST
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... Ummm... I'm pretty sure that in order to maintain a charitable 501c3 tax status (note, I'm only assuming that he got far enough to set up his charity as a charity tax wise... He may not have) the use of those funds for something like that is essentially violating tax laws...
tonygraz Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Sep 20 2016, 9:12 PM EST
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Was the size of the flagpole compensation for something much smaller ?
Krazeehorse Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 11:43 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... Ummm... I'm pretty sure that in order to maintain a charitable 501c3 tax status (note, I'm only assuming that he got far enough to set up his charity as a charity tax wise... He may not have) the use of those funds for something like that is essentially violating tax laws...

It's illegal for Trump's charity to make a donation to another charity?
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#25 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 11:51 AM EST
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I'm actually less concerned about the 100k (which you're right is just a transfer of funds from one charity to another).. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but when it says "to settle lawsuits" I'm assuming lawyers are being paid... If the money is all just transfers from one charity to another, then I'd say it's questionable character, but not any worse than we see from every other politician. If he used the money to actually pay lawyers, settle suits (outside of charitable donations) etc, even if it's a little bit of the total, then he's acting pretty illegally.
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 12:25 PM EST
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*shrug* I can't drive 55. I don't like it so I ignore it. If caught I pay the price. All that is pretty well laid out before I do what I want and ignore the law/ordinance/rule etc. The fact I am for going faster because I like it is largely irrelevant. It may have driven why I chose to go contrary to the law but doesn't change the law, or the punishment for doing so. If I do something shady in paying the fine the argument that I should be able to speed or speeding is super patriotic or whatever doesn't carry much weight. You don't like it, get it changed or pay the price. If it is not legal it's not. We are black and white on crimes we disagree with but less so for those we don't. Human nature.
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 12:26 PM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
It's illegal for Trump's charity to make a donation to another charity?



under these circumstances yes. funding streams matter
Krazeehorse Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 12:39 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
under these circumstances yes. funding streams matter

I bet it's not for David Brock.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-20/money-laundering-scheme-exposed-14-pro-clinton-super-pacs-non-profits-implicated
Gene363 Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 1:46 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Can I be your waiter next time you have dinner out?


Sure, but I rather you join us at the table.
tailgater Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 1:54 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
*shrug* I can't drive 55. I don't like it so I ignore it. If caught I pay the price. All that is pretty well laid out before I do what I want and ignore the law/ordinance/rule etc. The fact I am for going faster because I like it is largely irrelevant. It may have driven why I chose to go contrary to the law but doesn't change the law, or the punishment for doing so. If I do something shady in paying the fine the argument that I should be able to speed or speeding is super patriotic or whatever doesn't carry much weight. You don't like it, get it changed or pay the price. If it is not legal it's not. We are black and white on crimes we disagree with but less so for those we don't. Human nature.



Are you reading a different thread?
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 2:21 PM EST
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nope
Buckwheat Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 2:28 PM EST
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Most of you say Hillary sucks for this and that: Some of you say Trump sucks for this and that. Well everyone of you are mostly correct. Why vote for either of them? Seriously think about it. Why vote for either of them?

Vote for Johnson/Weld. Even if the system refuses to give them a national stage. Both Johnson and Weld would make better presidents than Trump or Hillary. horse
Krazeehorse Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 2:50 PM EST
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A big reason I'm voting is that I prefer a more conservative supreme court. Johnson can't deliver that.
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#34 Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016, 3:12 PM EST
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Do... Not... Seek ... The.... Johnson..... Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 11:23 AM EST
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Trumps "charity" is
His private
SLUSH FIND...

I WONDER IF MARLA MAPLES
WORKS THERE OR IS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS?
banderl Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2016, 12:28 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Trumps "charity" is
His private
SLUSH FIND...

I WONDER IF MARLA MAPLES
WORKS THERE OR IS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS?



People are saying that she is the fluffer for the board of directors.
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