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Voter fraud
gummy jones Offline
#151 Posted:
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Carib1 wrote:
Why do you libs think black people aren't capable of getting an ID? Is it because you think they're too lazy?

Is it because you think they're too stupid?

What is it that makes you libs think it's too difficult for black people to get ID's? Talk about racism...


maybe folks worry they will just lose them cause their pants are too saggy



Sarcasm
crgcpro Offline
#152 Posted:
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It's harder to vote 19 times if you have to show an ID each time you vote. This is the ONLY reason the libtards don't want Voter ID.

TMCTLT Offline
#153 Posted:
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We've already had reports here in IN. regarding voter fraud ( incomplete registrations / same handwriting on multiple forms etc. ) Feds raided a couple businesses and left with a chit ton of " files " be interesting to hear the findings on who was behind it.
DrafterX Offline
#154 Posted:
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crgcpro wrote:
It's harder to vote 19 times if you have to show an ID each time you vote. This is the ONLY reason the libtards don't want Voter ID.




and they prolly think they're being patriotic... Not talking
Brewha Offline
#155 Posted:
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crgcpro wrote:
It's harder to vote 19 times if you have to show an ID each time you vote. This is the ONLY reason the libtards don't want Voter ID.


Considering your fierce shank at politics, I hope to hell you can at least three putt....

Of cource, one has to find the green to do that.
tonygraz Offline
#156 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2008
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TMCTLT wrote:
We've already had reports here in IN. regarding voter fraud ( incomplete registrations / same handwriting on multiple forms etc. ) Feds raided a couple businesses and left with a chit ton of " files " be interesting to hear the findings on who was behind it.


Incomplete registrations must be due to Trump supporters not knowing what to fill in. What kind of "couple businesses" did they raid ?
DrafterX Offline
#157 Posted:
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I'm guessing McDonalds and the beer store... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#158 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Incomplete registrations must be due to Trump supporters not knowing what to fill in. What kind of "couple businesses" did they raid ?


Yes.
It was the Trump supporters who failed to register properly.
That's why so many democrats are demanding picture ID's to vote...
Brilliant.

ZRX1200 Offline
#159 Posted:
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Carl Campanile October 11, 2016 | 1:36am

The Manhattan Democratic representative on the city’s Board of Elections was caught on a secret video slamming Mayor Bill de Blasio’s municipal ID program as contributing to “all kinds of fraud” — including at the polls.

“He gave out ID cards, de Blasio. That’s in lieu of a driver’s license, but you can use it for anything,” Commissioner Alan Schulkin said in the undercover video recorded by a muckraker for conservative nonprofit Project Veritas.

“But they didn’t vet people to see who they really are. Anybody can go in there and say, ‘I am Joe Smith, I want an ID card,’ ” he said in the bombshell tape.

“It’s absurd. There is a lot of fraud. Not just voter fraud, all kinds of fraud . . . This is why I get more conservative as I get older.”

Schulkin didn’t hold back to the undercover journalist, who identified herself as a political consultant at a United Federation of Teachers holiday party on Dec. 16.

Not realizing he was being recorded, he broke with his own party’s position that voter ID requirements hurt the poor and minorities.

Schulkin said he backed the IDs to prevent rampant fraud.

“The law says you can’t ask for anything. Which they really should be able to do,” Schulkin said, according to a copy of the video and transcript provided to The Post.



“I believe they should be able to do it,” he added.

The videographer asked point-blank, “You think they should have voter ID in New York?”

Schulkin responded, “Voters? Yeah, they should ask for your ID. I think there is a lot of voter fraud.”

Conservatives claim ID checks help curb voter fraud.

Liberal and civil rights groups argue such rules discourage voting and discriminate against minorities and the poor.

“You know, I don’t think it’s too much to ask somebody to show some kind of an ID . . . You go into a building, you have to show them your ID,” Schulkin said.

While discussing the potential for fraud, Schulkin volunteered that in some parts of the city, “they bus people around to vote . . . They put them in a bus and go poll site to poll site.”

Asked which neighborhoods, Schulkin said, “I don’t want to say.”

When the undercover mentions black and Hispanic neighborhoods, Schulkin responded, “Yeah . . . and Chinese, too.”

At another point in the conversation, he discussed potential absentee ballot fraud.

“Oh, there’s thousands of absentee ballots . . . I don’t know where they came from,” he said.

The undercover offered that “people can cover their faces” to shield their identity when voting, which triggered a conversation about burqas.

“The Muslims can do that, too. You don’t know who they are,” Schulkin said.

“I mean, I know everything is done with good intentions, but a lot of bad results.”

Reached Monday night, Schulkin defended his videotaped remarks, with slight revisions.

“I should have said ‘potential fraud’ instead of ‘fraud,’ ” he said.

But he reiterated his support for a voter ID requirement.

He recalled a woman asking him a lot of questions the night he was recorded.

“She was like a nuisance. I was just trying to placate her,” he said.

The board has two commissioners — one Democrat, one Republican — from each borough.
MACS Offline
#160 Posted:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65Ybzr6QNUY
MACS Offline
#161 Posted:
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http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/breaking-james-okeefe-releases-second-video-15214373/
MACS Offline
#162 Posted:
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Crickets, eh? Doesn't happen as much as we think, eh? Not a problem, right?

smdh
victor809 Offline
#163 Posted:
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Or we don't click on videos.....
victor809 Offline
#164 Posted:
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Ok... Because it was so important to you, I looked at the video. One guy pulled a trump and talked about bussing people from one state to another for voting... Another guy rejected it saying "that's voter fraud" and a 3rd guy planned to do it in 2018.

The message? None of them said "ummm this fiendish plan of yours is already being done right now"... They're definitely willing to commit a crime (2 of them at least) but apparently aren't doing it....

More importantly, what's the cost per vote to participate someone a day to a months wages, get a personal vehicle and have them drive to another state to vote... ? That seems ridiculously high effort for a handful of votes.

I will say it again... The only voter fraud people really should be worried about is the machines. Whoever controls the machines, it doesn't matter how many people are bussed where or vote how many times... The machine will say what you want. If the machines are secure, the rest of it really is unlikely to be a significant impact (and yes, I include whatever that weird RNC absentee ballots they were "holding" at the place that got burned. ).... Millions of votes... Moving a few hundred here and there isn't an efficient use of any party's time.
frankj1 Offline
#165 Posted:
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31 documented case of voter fraud out of like a billion votes.
and some of those are simply amateur poll worker errors.

talk about shiny objects.
GOP, can you solve problems we agree on or not?
banderl Offline
#166 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
31 documented case of voter fraud out of like a billion votes.
and some of those are simply amateur poll worker errors.

talk about shiny objects.
GOP, can you solve problems we agree on or not?



Trump says that is unacceptable.
tonygraz Offline
#167 Posted:
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He has trouble understanding what a billion actually is.
tailgater Offline
#168 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
31 documented case of voter fraud out of like a billion votes.
and some of those are simply amateur poll worker errors.

talk about shiny objects.
GOP, can you solve problems we agree on or not?


Voter fraud is never an issue.
Until it is.
And then it's the BIGGEST issue.

Requiring an ID is not a road block. It's a simple precaution.


DrafterX Offline
#169 Posted:
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voter fraud gets dumped into the same barrel as illegal immigration... they don't think it's a big deal so it's not... illegal is still illegal.. I don't care how you want to justify it... Not talking
Speyside Offline
#170 Posted:
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It's illegal to eat ice cream in Oregon on Sundays. Should that be enforced since it's illegal Drafter?
tailgater Offline
#171 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
It's illegal to eat ice cream in Oregon on Sundays. Should that be enforced since it's illegal Drafter?


That's your argument?



tailgater Offline
#172 Posted:
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Cop: Sir, you were going 80mph in a school zone.

Spey: Officer, would you be arresting me for eating ice cream in Oregon on a Sunday?


BAJLM


(Ben and Jerry's Lives Matter)



opelmanta1900 Offline
#173 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:


I will say it again... The only voter fraud people really should be worried about is the machines. Whoever controls the machines, it doesn't matter how many people are bussed where or vote how many times... The machine will say what you want. If the machines are secure, the rest of it really is unlikely to be a significant impact (and yes, I include whatever that weird RNC absentee ballots they were "holding" at the place that got burned. ).... Millions of votes... Moving a few hundred here and there isn't an efficient use of any party's time.


I've worked as precinct inspector 2 times with 2 different machines... security of the machines is not a problem... it's the info that's put into those machines that matters...

we had an issue up in fresno a few years back.... I think it was a local or state level election... someone was picking up homeless people and buying them taco bell, after swinging them by the polls real quick to drop off absentee ballots he had graciously filled out for them...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#174 Posted:
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I was way off... it was hamburgers, not taco bell...
DrafterX Offline
#175 Posted:
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around here it's a BigMac and a beer... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#176 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
So if voter fraud is few... And people who would be disenfranchised by ID is few... Why would we put a larger mechanism in place and waste taxpayer money?

The big, election changing fraud isn't going to come from a bunch of azzholes voting a couple times. It's going to come from small changes to the voting machines, little adjustments in the counts by a few percentage points, just enough to swing a state one way or another (but waaaayyy higher counts than 149 across the entire nation). People who are worried about fraud should be demanding audits of the voting machines, and examining those. But machines are hard, and complaining about ID is easy.

Hell, ID is going to be obsolete soon enough, the future will be voting through the internet. Why spend time and money on policies which do very little and will be obsolete soon?



Ooopsie....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs
Speyside Offline
#177 Posted:
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That's my argument to illegal is illegal. Voter fraud will change the election just as much as eating ice cream in Oregon on Sundays will.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#178 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
That's my argument to illegal is illegal. Voter fraud will change the election just as much as eating ice cream in Oregon on Sundays will.

Um... maybe you meant to say "the results of the election" although I'm not sure how you could know that for fact either... educated guess maybe.... and you certainly can't know about the outcome of elections in the distant future...

obviously, if even one vote is fraudulently cast, the election is changed... You might not consider it a meaningful change, but change none the less...
Speyside Offline
#179 Posted:
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Voter fraud will not change the final results of the election.
frankj1 Offline
#180 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Voter fraud is never an issue.
Until it is.
And then it's the BIGGEST issue.

Requiring an ID is not a road block. It's a simple precaution.



red herring, it's Trump's way of being even more divisive, which is his ploy to get his voters to get off the sofa.
You win this thing by getting people to vote, not by having most people want you.

Personally, I'd show my ID, not really an issue to me, whatever the states decide (over 30 already require some type I believe). But the issue is a non issue.

DrafterX Offline
#181 Posted:
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so, lets leave the loophole open just in case..?? Huh


I mean if somebody wants to commit some meaningless illegal voter fraud we may as well make it easy for them right..?? Think
opelmanta1900 Offline
#182 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Voter fraud will not change the final results of the election.

Kind of an "ends justifies the means" argument then... noted...

On another note, rape laws will not effect whether or not you or anyone you know will be raped, so we're repealing them...
DrafterX Offline
#183 Posted:
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Mama told me not to come..
Mama told me not to come..
She said, "That ain't the way to have fun, son"..
"That ain't the way to have fun, no"... Not talking
jjanecka Offline
#184 Posted:
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Grandma was a straight ticket republican voter up until she died. Since then she's voted Democrat...
DrafterX Offline
#185 Posted:
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pretty common for the dead these days... Mellow
jjanecka Offline
#186 Posted:
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Just such a shame she'd flip flop like that. I wonder the reason... Think
tailgater Offline
#187 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
red herring, it's Trump's way of being even more divisive, which is his ploy to get his voters to get off the sofa.
You win this thing by getting people to vote, not by having most people want you.

Personally, I'd show my ID, not really an issue to me, whatever the states decide (over 30 already require some type I believe). But the issue is a non issue.




No.
A non-issue is one you wouldn't argue against.
Instead of a shrug and a "whatever", we're now to believe it's a Red Herring, designed to be divisive.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a "divisive non-issue" before.
Herfing







DrafterX Offline
#188 Posted:
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non-issue = doing nothing about it fits my agenda

Mellow
jjanecka Offline
#189 Posted:
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Remember kids... If politics teaches us anything, 51% is all you need to be a winner.
Speyside Offline
#190 Posted:
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Opel, that's a ludicrous statement and you know it.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#191 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
That's my argument to illegal is illegal. Voter fraud will change the election just as much as eating ice cream in Oregon on Sundays will.

Correct... ^this is a ludicrous statement and i do know it... i think you do too...
Speyside Offline
#192 Posted:
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No, I think it is accurate, so on this issue we have different opinions. Though the funny thing is I am totally with the idea that everyone should have a picture id to vote. I just don't think voter fraud will change the outcome of an election in this day and age.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#193 Posted:
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I'm right there with you... ends justifies the means... hence the changed rape laws... they don't actually effect whether or not someone will be raped... it's just excessive government spending...
Speyside Offline
#194 Posted:
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So you think 30 or 300 votes will change the outcome of the election? Because my point is it will not, so worrying about it makes as much sense as worrying about eating ice cream in Oregon on Sundays changing the outcome of the election.
jjanecka Offline
#195 Posted:
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It very well could in a battleground state.
ZRX1200 Offline
#196 Posted:
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What happened under Daly's watch in Chicago against Nixon.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#197 Posted:
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So you think 30 or 300 laws will change the outcome of whether or not you're raped? Because my point is it will not, so worrying about it makes as much sense as worrying about eating ice cream in Oregon on Sundays changing the outcome of whether or not you're raped.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#198 Posted:
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Spey - before you decide to Helen keller me, my point is this:

If we repealed rape laws, you would be appalled... rape laws don't actually influence the end result of whether someone is raped or not, but that's not the point...

The 10 commandments never prevented a murder either...

The law stands as a symbol for what is right, regardless of whether we follow it or not...

What's wrong is wrong and i believe the law should reflect that...
Speyside Offline
#199 Posted:
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Simple answer, yes or no. At least Z is providing some context. Z I said in this day and age. I don't think Chicago could happen today. But I understand the argument that it could. I'm just not willing to worry about the possibility.
teedubbya Offline
#200 Posted:
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I hope none of the laws change so folks will continue to focus on this rather than real issues.
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