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Chicago surpasses 500th homicide in 2016
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Burner02 Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Sep 6 2016, 9:13 PM EST
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After a bloody August saw homicides climb to a 20-year high, a deadly Labor Day weekend sent Chicago’s 2016 homicides soaring past 500, surpassing total murders for 2015 with four months still left in the year.

In all, 65 people were shot during the holiday weekend, 31 of them between 6 a.m. Monday and 3 a.m. Tuesday, The Chicago Tribune reported. The 13 killed brought the city’s skyrocketing homicide total to 512 – already well past the 491 logged in 2015.

"It is a complex problem with multidimensional facets to it," Mayor Rahm Emanuel said on Friday of Chicago's homicide rate. "It's not just about more police, but it will include that. But it's also about more resources for our children, more resources for our neighborhoods and stiffer laws that reflect the values of our city."

The scores of dead and wounded in the early days of September follow 90 homicides in August, tied for Chicago’s deadliest month since June 1996.

Nearly 3,000 people have been shot this year, according to data analyzed by The Tribune. That includes several deadly celebratory periods in 2016: 69 shot (six dead) during Memorial Day weekend and 66 shot (five dead) during the Fourth of July weekend.

Police attribute the spike in gun crime during the tail end of the Labor Day weekend to retaliatory gang acts, the Tribune reported.

In contrast, New York and Los Angeles had 409 homicides combined through late August.

While gang violence is largely responsible for Chicago’s burgeoning body count, it’s not the sole cause.

In one of the more odd examples of the city’s conflicts, an elderly, ex-preacher who uses a wheelchair was accused of shooting and killing a fellow retiree on Monday morning.


Great job Barry, Al and Jessie.
SmokeMonkey Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Sep 6 2016, 9:16 PM EST
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So this isn't the new 500?
Speyside Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Sep 6 2016, 9:24 PM EST
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Very disturbing and sad.
99cobra2881 Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Sep 6 2016, 9:45 PM EST
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It supposedly takes 9 days for society to break down after all services go dead. Chicago however won't take nearly as long to see a complete collapse of society if sheet ever hits the fan. Chicago is already on day 2 and everything is still "normal" there.
jjanecka Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Sep 6 2016, 9:47 PM EST
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Chicago is a complete collapse of society
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Sep 7 2016, 8:20 AM EST
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BLM?
Hello?
gummy jones Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Sep 7 2016, 8:24 AM EST
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they need more gun control
[aka teach law abiding better aim]

[seriously very sad]
Stinkdyr Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Sep 9 2016, 3:12 PM EST
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Way to go Chicago!!

Applause Applause
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Sep 9 2016, 3:16 PM EST
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Where's Leroy Brown when you need him.... Think
victor809 Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Sep 9 2016, 3:20 PM EST
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Chicago is a big city. How do you think it ranks in comparison to your city per capita?

500 people out of 2.7million.... 9.73 if you're including the Metropolitan area (we won't)... If you live in a small town you could easily surpass that with a couple murders.
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Sep 9 2016, 3:26 PM EST
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That doesn't really change anything... Mellow
mikey1597 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Sep 9 2016, 4:22 PM EST
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The countdown for the Top 30 Murder Capitals of America:
Rank City
30 Chicago Heights, IL
29 Baton Rouge, LA
28 Buffalo, NY
27 Hattiesburg, MS
26 East Chicago, IN
25 Birmingham, AL
24 Desert Hot Springs, CA
23 Compton, CA
22 Myrtle Beach, SC
21 Fort Pierce, FL
20 Harvey, IL
19 Bridgeton, NJ
18 Flint, MI
17 Rocky Mount, NC
16 Pine Bluff, AR
15 Petersburg, VA
14 Newark, NJ
13 Baltimore, MD
12 Harrisburg, PA
11 Jackson, MS
10 Wilmington, DE
9 Trenton, NJ
8 Riviera Beach, FL
7 New Orleans, LA
6 Camden, NJ
5 Detroit, MI
4 Gary, IN
3 St. Louis, MO
2 Chester, PA
1 East St. Louis, IL
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Sep 9 2016, 4:29 PM EST
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c'mon Boston...buncha slackers.
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Sep 10 2016, 9:23 AM EST
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Oklahoma is really slacking... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Sep 10 2016, 4:12 PM EST
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So... What Mikey is saying is the city some are saying is on "say 2 of collapse" isn't even in the top 30 of murder... It's suburbs aren't even in the top 15....

You guys are not good at numbers.
Burner02 Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 7:21 AM EST
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500 murders for any city is to many, whether in the city or the burbs. Don't think it really matters where it falls in rankings.
mikey1597 Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 7:43 AM EST
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The St. Louis area, going by the rankings above, is a total ****t hole.
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 1:23 PM EST
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Burner... If you. Think 500 murders is too many regardless of city size then you have no understanding of statistics. Do you think 1 murder is too many for any city? Because you essentially said the same thing.
Gene363 Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 1:44 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Burner... If you. Think 500 murders is too many regardless of city size then you have no understanding of statistics. Do you think 1 murder is too many for any city? Because you essentially said the same thing.


You're correct, who gives a flying F.

Perhaps we should establish shooting goals, never quotas, for these other cities to live up to the potential of Chicago, they really need to get with the program. The are racist cities or they too would be shooting more people. Sounds like another case of white privilege to me. Oh, and maybe some Latino privilege too. Don't scoff at this proposal, it's exactly what we have done in schools.
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 1:56 PM EST
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So, Victor brings stats into the conversation and then tells us we don't understand them... Think

If only we were good at numbers.... those 500 peoples might still be alive... Sad
Gene363 Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 2:06 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
So, Victor brings stats into the conversation and then tells us we don't understand them... Think

If only we were good at numbers.... those 500 peoples might still be alive... Sad


Or even more, was he mad at them or were they peeing on his lightpost?
Abrignac Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 2:17 PM EST
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If I really cared I'd be more interested in who are the victims. Crime statistics tell us that the vast majority of murders vs their victims boil down who managed to fire a fatal shot first. In those cases there is little difference in the two since both were trying to accomplish the same thing it's just that one was successful and one wasn't.
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 2:27 PM EST
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Gene... Your rant makes no sense.

Statistics are important. Unless you're going to throw a fit about every single murder, then the murder per capita is way more important than the raw number. A town of 2000 with 2 murders is statistically more dangerous than Chicago with 500. If you don't understand this then you probably should buy more lottery tickets.

... I don't even get the rest of your rant about racist... What does that have to do with Chicago?
Speyside Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 2:47 PM EST
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So those 2 murders were assisted suicides. I think that would completely skew your statistics. Statistics can be significant, but they must be taken in context.
victor809 Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 3:02 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure crime stats don't record assisted suicide....


Unless you're talking about assisting a drug addict with their ultimate suicide by shooting them in the street. (I mean... They're headed that way anyway, right?)
Speyside Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 3:59 PM EST
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Then let's consider the 2 deaths euthinasia, which can be considered murder. Consider that euthinasia could be the most humane option there is. My point is statistics need context to be of value. Simply stating a percentage without a contextual basis does not provide an absolute fact.
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 4:09 PM EST
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That's the same with just stating raw numbers though, not just statistics.

If you were comparing two small towns, one with 2 murders and one with 3, you would run into the same problem. That problem doesn't change when you control for population.
Speyside Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 4:25 PM EST
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I'm not looking at controlling the population. I want to understand the basis of the events. If you will I want to see the sub sets of the events. And yes, I realize I'm being very selective. But I think the catagory of murder is to broad to make a viable conclusion based on the statistics.
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 4:40 PM EST
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control for population, not control the population.
Burner02 Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 4:41 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Burner... If you. Think 500 murders is too many regardless of city size then you have no understanding of statistics. Do you think 1 murder is too many for any city? Because you essentially said the same thing.



Maybe we should look at it like college football and crown a national champion. At least one city will be happy.


But some will still want to argue.
Speyside Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 4:42 PM EST
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LMAO!
Gene363 Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 4:55 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Gene... Your rant makes no sense.

Statistics are important. Unless you're going to throw a fit about every single murder, then the murder per capita is way more important than the raw number. A town of 2000 with 2 murders is statistically more dangerous than Chicago with 500. If you don't understand this then you probably should buy more lottery tickets.

... I don't even get the rest of your rant about racist... What does that have to do with Chicago?


98.9 % of all statistics are made up on the spot.
DrafterX Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 4:57 PM EST
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Did the 500 victims understand numbers..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 5:04 PM EST
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If they didn't, it's probably for the best that they were killed.
DrafterX Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 5:14 PM EST
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Just a thought about the numbers... Chicago is a big place... how wide spread were these murders..?? Are most happening in a couple neighborhoods and what is the population there..?? Huh
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#36 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 7:32 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
After a bloody August saw homicides climb to a 20-year high, a deadly Labor Day weekend sent Chicago’s 2016 homicides soaring past 500, surpassing total murders for 2015 with four months still left in the year.

In all, 65 people were shot during the holiday weekend, 31 of them between 6 a.m. Monday and 3 a.m. Tuesday, The Chicago Tribune reported. The 13 killed brought the city’s skyrocketing homicide total to 512 – already well past the 491 logged in 2015.

"It is a complex problem with multidimensional facets to it," Mayor Rahm Emanuel said on Friday of Chicago's homicide rate. "It's not just about more police, but it will include that. But it's also about more resources for our children, more resources for our neighborhoods and stiffer laws that reflect the values of our city."

The scores of dead and wounded in the early days of September follow 90 homicides in August, tied for Chicago’s deadliest month since June 1996.

Nearly 3,000 people have been shot this year, according to data analyzed by The Tribune. That includes several deadly celebratory periods in 2016: 69 shot (six dead) during Memorial Day weekend and 66 shot (five dead) during the Fourth of July weekend.

Police attribute the spike in gun crime during the tail end of the Labor Day weekend to retaliatory gang acts, the Tribune reported.

In contrast, New York and Los Angeles had 409 homicides combined through late August.

While gang violence is largely responsible for Chicago’s burgeoning body count, it’s not the sole cause.

In one of the more odd examples of the city’s conflicts, an elderly, ex-preacher who uses a wheelchair was accused of shooting and killing a fellow retiree on Monday morning.


Great job Barry, Al and Jessie.


Not quite there yet. Here's a were I go for my Chicago shooting news.

http://heyjackass.com

Only 470 shot and killed. 522 total homocides.
victor809 Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 9:58 PM EST
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Drafter, if you want to narrow it down to places in Chicago and use their populations, then you can't call it all of Chicago.
banderl Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:09 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Drafter, if you want to narrow it down to places in Chicago and use their populations, then you can't call it all of Chicago.



It's not all of Chicago.













They're just killing all of the out of town shoppers on Michigan Ave.
DrafterX Offline
#39 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:10 PM EST
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How would you define it then..?? Huh

It might matter to the residents of Chicago but to the rest of the world it's Chicago. .. Mellow
victor809 Offline
#40 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:13 PM EST
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If you're gonna call it Chicago, then your stats are for the entire population of Chicago. If you're gonna narrow your population for stats down to a smaller area/number, then you define it as that area... This isn't rocket surgery.
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:21 PM EST
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You're sure trying to make it so... why do you love Chicago so much..?? Is it an Obama thing..?? Huh
banderl Offline
#42 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:24 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
You're sure trying to make it so... why do you love Chicago so much..?? Is it an Obama thing..?? Huh



It seems that a lot of people have a hard on for Chicago ever since Obama was elected.
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#43 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:26 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
It seems that a lot of people have a hard on for Chicago ever since Obama was elected.

ya think?!
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:27 PM EST
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Prolly cause of all the corruption and stuff that got him elected to the senate... Mellow
banderl Offline
#45 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:31 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
ya think?!



He's not really a Chicagoan, nobody from this area speaks like that.

I heard that he's really from Kenya.
victor809 Offline
#46 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:34 PM EST
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Drafter... I don't like the misuse or misunderstanding of numbers. That appears to be the favorite past time of the people who feed crap to those who will buy anything.
DrafterX Offline
#47 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:36 PM EST
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500 people are dead... why do you feel the need to make it no big deal..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#48 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:43 PM EST
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500 people isn't a big deal. Why do you feel like it is?
DrafterX Offline
#49 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 10:45 PM EST
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nuff said... Mellow
banderl Offline
#50 Posted: Mon, Sep 12 2016, 2:28 PM EST
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My Wife has been working downtown (Chicago) for 38 years, and has only been shot 12 times.
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