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well, she did get a 671% raise....

Communists...

And yet, we shake our heads and wonder why so many young people were 'Bern-ing'.....too easy to make the leap that capitalism NEEDS regular intervention

You are correct about Bern-ing, but not about capitalism; it isn't capitalism if competitors cannot bring a competing product to market. (See highlighted text post #7 above.)

That was atropine and 2 pam chloride. Used for combating nerve agents. I believe they still have them, but I don't know if they would work for allergic reactions.

^communist.

Why do you want the terrorists to win?

It's capitalism if Mylan met the same stringent FDA requirements which the competitors are seemingly unable to meet at this time.

Notice the part in your highlighted statement where the words "26 cases in which the device malfunctioned and delivered an inaccurate dose". That is the sort of thing that kills a product who's entire job is to deliver an accurate dose. Just because the author put the word "merely" in front of it doesn't mean the FDA considers that few.

More importantly, in this era of rampant litigation, no company would continue forward with a product in which there is evidence they know it is delivering inaccurate dosages on occasion... All it takes is someone to die or get sick from an inaccurate dose of epinephrine and that company will be on the hook for some ridiculous sum... what was the last one, 700million or something asinine like that for one death? The lawyers proved that there had been known issues in clinical trials which were ignored, and Wyeth (or was it Merck?) got nailed.

If you want more drugs cheaper, we as a society have to be ok with some people dying occasionally. Since we are very litigious and very risk averse, both the private companies, and the government agencies are going to make it very challenging to get drugs and medical devices to the market.

You made your bed, now lay in it.

this certainly isnt true capitalism

if no one else can bring a product to market without endless regulations then monopolies on products are created

Interesting article. I know they aren't out yet but there are a few who are close. Isn't like people aren't trying bring the prices down.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/07/07/epipen-monopoly-mylan-windgap-medical/

Someone must have stepped in a puddle of urine or perhaps feces. Fear not, no one is trying to replace you.

Funny, I don't recall saying anything about their profits, it's the lack of competition. If you read over what the FDA is doing they have no standard so they are making it up as they go along. Perhaps if the bureaucrats quoted the Bible you might react differently. IDGAF At least the FDA bureaucrats know you are their friend.

Gene... I'm not a friend of the FDA, I've had to defend my work to their auditors on a couple occasions (successfully I'm might add.. To brag a little)....

But you can't have it both ways. FDA regulations are burdensome and expensive, but their not arbitrary, and they aren't acting to protect a market for one company.

Vic is right, if you think either the FDA or big Pharma would ever be lax on compliance and regulatory, you're mistaken. There's some serious amount of cost that goes into clinical trials, legal work, et cetera just for the pills you pop or the pen that prevents an alleric reaction. It takes an entire division of regulatory and compliance people on both sides just to ensure that these products are safe and reliable.for the consumer.

No CEO or Congressman would even think about tampering with that. The media backlash alone would be catastrophic.

To me, it just means another company has an open door to the market that's been cornered by the epi pen for years.

Patent running out?

Just another fuqing Obamacare failure!!
Insurance rates going up because people are using their insurance, the cost of drugs are sky-rocketing, insurance companies are dropping out of the exchanges left and right, and we as slaves to the guberment are forced to buy into this broken system or pay hefty fines. It's total bullsh|t. This instance with Mylan is no different than the other scumbag drug company that raised their price amongst national ridicule. Finally they dropped their price as their CEO was brought up on unrelated criminal charges.

We are required to keep EpiPen 2 sets - 1 my son carries, and another set required at his school, Fortunately my wife is a nurse and was able to get them for practically nothing compared to the $400/set the pharmacist wanted.

Vic is NOT right! There is no excuse for life-saving medicine to go up so much in price that the people whose lives depend on it can't afford to buy it, especially after being forced to buy into the bull**** ponzi scheme called Obamacare. The medication has been around for a long time. There's nothing new here in regards to research or development. It cost pennies to make.

I'm still waiting for my insurance costs to go down $2,500 as the lying POS in the White House promised. Instead insurance costs have risen a lot more than $2,500/yr.

she and her entire family are corrupt

remember when she faked a degree from wvu?

And you won't ever be accepted for blood donations.

if your gonna fake a degree, why wvu? That's like a fake Cuban Quintero.



calm down gumpster. it's a joke.

The problem with this statement is that most doctors will not prescribe an ampule of epinephrine, even to a parent who is a RN, period.

When you go into Anaphylactic Shock in layman's terms the blood flow is wide open. Epinephrine in it's basics restricts the blood flow and too much can result in cardiac problems - heart-attack or stroke. By giving an ampule of epinephrine to the layman there is too much of a risk of over dosing in the calculation of the correct dose in a crisis situation, compared to the controlled environment in the ER or doctor's office where there is a double-check by another RN or PH before the dose is given. Ampules are measured in kilograms, which then has to be converted to milligrams based on a person's weight, and then converted again to milliliters for the proper injection dose. As a parent facing a possible crisis situation the last thing I want to do is math to calculate conversion for the proper dose. At that time I don't care if there is an App for that. I don't have a cell-phone, and we we may be in an area without cell service.

Plus, most school policies require that you supply a set of EpiPens. I would not trust the school "nurse" to calculate the correct dose of Epinephrine from an ampule to give to my child. And the schools do not want that responsiblitity or liability. Most school "nurses" aren't even licensed or allowed to give out aspriprin, let alone calculate a and give a shot.

I blaze up another fat one while being reminded how much Obamacare and big pharm has done for my family.

No, we want you to have them.

epipens are .3 mg and the dose doesn't change. So there is no real calculation and you simply draw in to the syringe, no need to convert measurements back an forth. My allergy shot is .5ml. You simply draw to .5 ml on the syringe. I get mine at the employee health unit with nurses that make school nurses look like heart surgeons. The ampule could weigh 5 tons and it would be irrelevant.

The calculations and conversions are irrelevant. The convenience and difficulty effing it up is relevant. You can carry them everywhere with little danger of breaking them, poking someone else (they have a safety) or having difficulty pulling them out when panicked (they are huge). They also let you just plunge them in your leg in one action rather than having to insert needle then work plunger. And where I agree with my sickle cell averse friend in the dosing is the need to draw the .3 when self administering (not having someone else around let alone a nurse) while in shock. Draw, inject, plunge vs remove blue cap and stab.

They are definitely better than ampule/ syringe and a great invention.

I get my epi pens for free luckily.

I hear you, but you can just duplicate the pen dose, it doesn't do any adjustments for size and weight. While this approach is not suitable for all applications, , e.g., the school you mentioned and requires some degree of *training, it is doable. A given number of CCs from an ampule of a given strength.

* My RN wife has trained many families to do various procedures including injections, wound care and IV maintenance when she was a home health nurse.

IMO, pharma is raising prices for the same reason colleges have raised their prices, available cash, insurance/Obamacare/Medicare/Medicaid money for the former and easy student loans for the latter.

Yup, we have Epi pens for the same reason, allergy shots for my wife and myself. Those pens are not "free" someone is paying for them.

I didn't say they are free. I get mine for free meaning I don't pay at the point of sale. You are right, someone pays.

It's sad really. Epi pen has a program that covers the copayment for those with insurance. Those that have get a break, those that don't don't.

The sad part is they through as much away every day as they used and it was still 1/10 the price.