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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 1:39 PM EST
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This 400 mil to Iran thing is almost comical... White House trying to cover again by planting thoughts of 'we've already talked about this' again.... why the cash even if it was legit..?? and of different currency..?? WTF..?? Huh
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#2 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 2:25 PM EST
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Drafter, that's your taxes at work.
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#3 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 2:26 PM EST
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This is how pollytishens waste, er um I mean INVEST, your tax $$.

Enjoy it, you SLAVE!


Spanking
Speyside Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 2:48 PM EST
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This break with previous policy just made the world a more dangerous place for Americans.
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#5 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 3:17 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
This 400 mil to Iran thing is almost comical... White House trying to cover again by planting thoughts of 'we've already talked about this' again.... why the cash even if it was legit..?? and of different currency..?? WTF..?? Huh


Easy, ransomes are traditionally paid in untraceable cash.

It would be illegal, though IMO, they knowingly and willfully broke the law.

http://www.news8000.com/state-dept-we-couldnt-wire-transfer-money-to-iran/41038906
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#6 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 4:36 PM EST
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If they sent American fiat currency it would have broken the law.

Try and take 10 grand out of the bank.....go ahead......you're a "free" Amerikan with "rights" right? Innocent till proven guilty? Due process and propert rights.... right?

Oh. Patriot Act you say?

Ask permission to access you legal property? What?

Take $9,999.99 out......now you're breaking the law. Again with another PRE crime.

Yet here the feds are sending 400 mil in foriegn currency to the biggest sponsor of terrorism?

Yeah......Patriot Act.

How crazy are people who claim the US is a sponsor of terrorism now?
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 4:42 PM EST
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Well, Kerry is suppose to gather up all the paper work relating to this and sit down in front of Congress to answer questions... do you think he'll take the 5th or just lie..?? Think
Burner02 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 5:21 PM EST
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Ransoms are always paid in cash. Gift cards won't hack it.
tonygraz Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:13 PM EST
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Apparently you missed the announcement that this would happen back in January. Look it up so people don't think you are stupid.
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:22 PM EST
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How's that kool-aid taste..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:24 PM EST
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If I understand correctly, this is giving them money back for a purchase we never completed back in the 70s or 80s.

And of course they gave us something for it. It's a tit for tat negotiation. We took their money and refused to give it back... Then they took some people and refused to give them back. If this were a Mel Gibson movie you guys would be cheering for them.
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#12 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:49 PM EST
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Trump would have got them to throw in a cargo container of rugs and a box of hot tamales.
banderl Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 9:56 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Trump would have got them to throw in a cargo container of rugs and a box of hot tamales.



Nothing better than some Iranian hot tamales.
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 10:03 PM EST
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Back to the original question. .. why not just a wire transfer. .?? Huh
frankj1 Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 10:06 PM EST
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I give up. Why?
Maybe they don't have a Western Union office?
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 10:06 PM EST
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Only cash for hot tamales
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 10:12 PM EST
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And the 1.7 billion. .. was that cash too..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 10:27 PM EST
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You can read all about it. I don't think it's a secret.
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Aug 4 2016, 10:31 PM EST
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Did you read about the hostage dude that was on the tarmac waiting to take off for two hours waiting for another plane to land..?? -Huh
tonygraz Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 8:04 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I give up. Why?
Maybe they don't have a Western Union office?


Might also still be illegal to send money to Iran, and I would imagine that they don't have a Western Union office.
Note that none of the funds were in US currency.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 8:37 AM EST
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I heard trump saw video of the planes and swap etc and says it's bad news
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#22 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 11:02 AM EST
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who cares?
certainly not the fed and certainly not the dem voters.

at this point, what difference does it make

i think i finally understand what hilary meant by that
banderl Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 11:18 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard trump saw video of the planes and swap etc and says it's bad news



Agreed, it is bad news.
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 11:34 AM EST
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banderl wrote:
Agreed, it is bad news.



Just like it was in January when it was announced and no one noticed.
banderl Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 12:28 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Just like it was in January when it was announced and no one noticed.


Huh?
It's bad news that Ole Blockhead keeps having hallucinations.
Burner02 Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 1:20 PM EST
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Not a burning issue for 36 - 37 years.

And now, must be the "optics."
cacman Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 2:59 PM EST
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How many times do we have to hear from Obama, Bill & Hillary Clinton, and the rose-visioned liberal Dems in general

"It's not what it looks like."

- $400M to Iran - It's not what it looks like.
- State Dept loses $6B - It's not what it looks like.
- Gave Plutonium to the Russians - It's not what it looks like.
- 4 Dead in Benghazi - It's not what it looks like.
- Bill's dick in her mouth - It's not what it looks like.

The list goes on…
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#28 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 4:02 PM EST
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Interesting coincidence.

This afternoon I went into a restaurant. I was feeling generous so I made a donation of about 8-10 bucks.

Then this waitress brings over a free meal!

Unbelievable luck right!?

At first I was concerned about the optics and how some people would misconstrue this as a purchase of food. I can assure you that the two donations were just that: donations. Just because they happened within 10 minutes of each other does not mean a purchase was made.

Funny thing is though, I later found out that the waitress rang it up as a sale! Now they're calling me a customer. I can assure you, I never have nor ever will purchase restaurant food.

Again, I realize that the optics on this are incriminating, but all I can tell you is that just because the mutual donations were made at the same time does not mean I purchased food there.

You may now praise me because 1) I am generous and 2) I have amazing people skills such that I can just talk my way into a free lunch.




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#29 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 5:09 PM EST
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Big_Bear wrote:
Interesting coincidence.

This afternoon I went into a restaurant. I was feeling generous so I made a donation of about 8-10 bucks.

Then this waitress brings over a free meal!

Unbelievable luck right!?

At first I was concerned about the optics and how some people would misconstrue this as a purchase of food. I can assure you that the two donations were just that: donations. Just because they happened within 10 minutes of each other does not mean a purchase was made.

Funny thing is though, I later found out that the waitress rang it up as a sale! Now they're calling me a customer. I can assure you, I never have nor ever will purchase restaurant food.

Again, I realize that the optics on this are incriminating, but all I can tell you is that just because the mutual donations were made at the same time does not mean I purchased food there.

You may now praise me because 1) I am generous and 2) I have amazing people skills such that I can just talk my way into a free lunch.
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You are in the clear unless 4 Iranian prisoners showed up at the table.
tonygraz Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 7:34 PM EST
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Shocker - Trump said he was MISTAKEN about that money video.
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#31 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 10:14 PM EST
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Someone missing a yappy little ankle biter dog?
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#32 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 11:19 PM EST
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Big_Bear wrote:
Interesting coincidence.

This afternoon I went into a restaurant. I was feeling generous so I made a donation of about 8-10 bucks.

Then this waitress brings over a free meal!

Unbelievable luck right!?

At first I was concerned about the optics and how some people would misconstrue this as a purchase of food. I can assure you that the two donations were just that: donations. Just because they happened within 10 minutes of each other does not mean a purchase was made.

Funny thing is though, I later found out that the waitress rang it up as a sale! Now they're calling me a customer. I can assure you, I never have nor ever will purchase restaurant food.

Again, I realize that the optics on this are incriminating, but all I can tell you is that just because the mutual donations were made at the same time does not mean I purchased food there.

You may now praise me because 1) I am generous and 2) I have amazing people skills such that I can just talk my way into a free lunch.
.


Pretty sure that doesn't fit right....

A more appropriate analogy would be:

You're the restaurant owner. You generally sell delicious burgers for $4.

A customer purchases your burger, gives you $4 and before you serve them, you decide you don't like them any longer and they don't deserve a burger.

In the process of disagreeing with you over their lack of delicious burger, the customer takes some of your silverware.

20 years pass... and judge judy threatens to make you give the customer their $4 back, plus $200 for your holding their $4 for so long.

You decide that the risk of having to pay the fines is too high, and figure if you give them some amount less than the fines, they'll take it and not risk the chance they'll get nothing. So you offer the customer their $4 back, plus $100 in interest. They accept.

Because they weren't quite as ticked off at you, they give you your silverware back.
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#33 Posted: Fri, Aug 5 2016, 11:31 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Someone missing a yappy little ankle biter dog?


Somebody may own it... but I assure you, nobody is missing it.
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#34 Posted: Sat, Aug 6 2016, 9:41 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Pretty sure that doesn't fit right....

A more appropriate analogy would be:

You're the restaurant owner. You generally sell delicious burgers for $4.

A customer purchases your burger, gives you $4 and before you serve them, you decide you don't like them any longer and they don't deserve a burger.

In the process of disagreeing with you over their lack of delicious burger, the customer takes some of your silverware.

20 years pass... and judge judy threatens to make you give the customer their $4 back, plus $200 for your holding their $4 for so long.

You decide that the risk of having to pay the fines is too high, and figure if you give them some amount less than the fines, they'll take it and not risk the chance they'll get nothing. So you offer the customer their $4 back, plus $100 in interest. They accept.

Because they weren't quite as ticked off at you, they give you your silverware back.


You're correct, it's a negotiated ransom.
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#35 Posted: Sat, Aug 6 2016, 10:15 AM EST
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The President's "explanation" was that the US has no banking relationship with Iran so it had to be in cash, which begs the question of how all other funds we sent to Iran got there. Perhaps the rest was paid in Target gift cards.
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#36 Posted: Sat, Aug 6 2016, 11:03 AM EST
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And sadly enough people believe him.... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Aug 6 2016, 5:27 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
And sadly enough republicans never believe facts.... Mellow


fify
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Sat, Aug 6 2016, 5:49 PM EST
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Freak... Mellow
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#39 Posted: Sat, Aug 6 2016, 8:26 PM EST
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**** Obamma
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#40 Posted: Sun, Aug 7 2016, 9:23 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Somebody may own it... but I assure you, nobody is missing it.




PRICELESS



mikey1597 wrote:
**** Obamma




Can I get an AMEN!!!!!!! Beer
And the RacebaitinTrain he rode in on....
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#41 Posted: Sun, Aug 7 2016, 4:48 PM EST
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Don't believe "your eyes"...
It was foreign currency " on top"
And "North Korean Superbills" in the first 1/3,
Then the last 2/3's were warehoused Timothy
Gietner MISTAKES "New 100's " that can easily be traced...
ZRX1200 Offline
#42 Posted: Sun, Aug 7 2016, 8:42 PM EST
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That would be BREAKING THE LAW.
DrafterX Offline
#43 Posted: Mon, Aug 8 2016, 10:06 AM EST
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There I was completely wasting, out of work and down
all inside it's so frustrating as I drift from town to town
feel as though nobody cares if I live or die
so I might as well begin to put some action in my life... Whistle Whistle
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#44 Posted: Thu, Aug 18 2016, 4:15 PM EST
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Apparently it was just a little lie..... Mellow


WASHINGTON – The Obama administration said Thursday that a $400 million cash payment to Iran seven months ago was contingent on the release of a group of American prisoners.

It is the first time the U.S. has so clearly linked the two events, which critics have painted as a hostage-ransom arrangement.

State Department spokesman John Kirby repeated the administration's line that the negotiations to return the Iranian money -- from a decades-old military-equipment deal with the U.S.-backed shah in the 1970s -- were conducted separately from the talks to free four U.S. citizens in Iran. But he said the U.S. withheld the delivery of the cash as leverage until Iran permitted the Americans to leave the country.

Both events occurred Jan. 17, fueling suspicions from Republican lawmakers and accusations from GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump of a quid pro quo that undermined America's longstanding opposition to ransom payments.

Kirby spoke a day after The Wall Street Journal reported new details of the crisscrossing planes on that day. U.S. officials wouldn't let Iran bring the cash home from a Geneva airport until a Swiss Air Force plane carrying three of the freed Americans departed from Tehran, the paper reported. The fourth American left on a commercial flight.

Earlier this month, after the revelation the U.S. delivered the money in pallets of cash, the administration flatly denied any connection between the payment and the prisoners.

"Reports of link between prisoner release & payment to Iran are completely false," Kirby tweeted at the time.

Film at 11.... Think
tonygraz Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Aug 18 2016, 9:46 PM EST
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So we gave them the money that was owed, but not until they freed some Americans. Typical Republican outrage.
DrafterX Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Aug 19 2016, 8:01 AM EST
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and once again I see approval of the administration lying to us by blind & faithful... Mellow
cacman Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Aug 19 2016, 8:58 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
we gave them the money that was owed, but not until they freed some Americans.

That's called paying a RANSOM! Some may even call it blackmail.

Only an ignorant liberal twit would believe it was anything else - like "leverage".
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#48 Posted: Fri, Aug 19 2016, 9:07 AM EST
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Tony must really love Obama... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Aug 25 2016, 12:33 PM EST
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"The reason that we had to give them cash is precisely because we are so strict in maintaining sanctions and we do not have a banking relationship with Iran, that we couldn't send them a check and we could not wire the money," he said. "And it is not at all clear to me why it is that cash, as opposed to a check or a wire transfer, has made this into a new story. Maybe because it kind of feels like a spy novel ... because cash was exchanged."







However, two days later, January 19th 2016, the U.S. Treasury wired Iran 13 individual payments for $99,999,999.99 , each with an independent MICR, totaling $1,299,999,999.87.

Think Think
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#50 Posted: Thu, Aug 25 2016, 12:41 PM EST
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I'm thankful that this is the most transparent administration ever, and that my healthcare has gone down $2,500 a year with lower deductibles.
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