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bgz Offline
#151 Posted:
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Ok, I smoked Shaun's #2 mid range smoke (I know, said I would wait, yadayadayada)...

It was a petite corona with a dark wrapper (guessing a dark habano wrapper).

Anyway, the whole pre-light draw thing... yeah, I'm not good at picking things out of the pre-light draw, so I fired it up.

Big pepper blast right out of the gate that held for several puffs.

Once it started to mellow a bit, it got a little salty, and still a lot of pepper.

Then it's character started to build after I worked through it a bit, this puppy was definitely full body.

It mellowed a bit and when it did, it had that deep, dark tone to it with a lot of character. It appeared to be a little looser on the burn as the ash never really held long and the burn line wasn't razor sharp or anything, but it did burn good. It didn't require any touch ups through the whole smoke.


As far as flavor goes, it pretty much held that same profile I would say up until the half way point where it changed slightly. It still had pretty much the same profile, but just changed a bit, I'm not sure how to describe it.

Then when it moved into the final third a slight citrus flavor crept in while pretty much keeping the same original underlying profile. It pretty much held there till the end... which I smoked it till it got hot.

I enjoyed this cigar, though the flavor was a very familiar flavor, I don't believe I've ever had this particular cigar before.

If I had to guess, I would guess that it came out of a Pepin factory, maybe a Tat or a L'Atelier.

Good smoke, thanks Shaun.

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#152 Posted:
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Received FrozenPhoenix's box today and am quite excited.

1 bottle of Lucky 19 The Devil's Own Spicy Ghost Chili BBQ Sauce

And beyond the 3 unbandes (which look quite tasty):
A massive La Palina Maduro (nh)
Partagas cc (possibly Lusitania? - regardless nh

Will let them sit a few days and try to get a review or 2 done next week.

Thanks for the hit!
shaun341 Offline
#153 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Ok, I smoked Shaun's #2 mid range smoke (I know, said I would wait, yadayadayada)...

It was a petite corona with a dark wrapper (guessing a dark habano wrapper).

Anyway, the whole pre-light draw thing... yeah, I'm not good at picking things out of the pre-light draw, so I fired it up.

Big pepper blast right out of the gate that held for several puffs.

Once it started to mellow a bit, it got a little salty, and still a lot of pepper.

Then it's character started to build after I worked through it a bit, this puppy was definitely full body.

It mellowed a bit and when it did, it had that deep, dark tone to it with a lot of character. It appeared to be a little looser on the burn as the ash never really held long and the burn line wasn't razor sharp or anything, but it did burn good. It didn't require any touch ups through the whole smoke.


As far as flavor goes, it pretty much held that same profile I would say up until the half way point where it changed slightly. It still had pretty much the same profile, but just changed a bit, I'm not sure how to describe it.

Then when it moved into the final third a slight citrus flavor crept in while pretty much keeping the same original underlying profile. It pretty much held there till the end... which I smoked it till it got hot.

I enjoyed this cigar, though the flavor was a very familiar flavor, I don't believe I've ever had this particular cigar before.

If I had to guess, I would guess that it came out of a Pepin factory, maybe a Tat or a L'Atelier.

Good smoke, thanks Shaun.



I missed seeing this review somehow yesterday. I think we enjoy pretty similar cigar profiles judging from your reviews. That cigar was an Illusione MK Ultra from a box I have had for maybe about 2 years now. They were a touch harsh when new so I thought some time would do them well.
bgz Offline
#154 Posted:
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shaun341 wrote:
I missed seeing this review somehow yesterday. I think we enjoy pretty similar cigar profiles judging from your reviews. That cigar was an Illusione MK Ultra from a box I have had for maybe about 2 years now. They were a touch harsh when new so I thought some time would do them well.



Yeah man, I think you're right, we probably do like the same types of cigars. I liked the MK Ultra way better than other Illusiones that I've tried, I could see myself buying some of them.

Thanks Shaun for the good smokes, thanks Chazbo for putting this on again, it was fun.

I look forward to reading the other reviews that are going to be coming in.

tamapatom Offline
#155 Posted:
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Havent had many Illusione..........Illusione Fume d'Amour was very nice.
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#156 Posted:
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Finished up my reviews this weekend so here we go

#4 7x46ish oily milk chocolate colored wrapper with a sweet chocolate aroma coming from the wrapper. Just a slight toothiness to the wrapper as well.
1/3 starts off with leather the dominant note and hints of chocolate in the background. Short ways in a retro has some spiciness to it. The ash is tight and white and holds strong but I knock it off at around 3/4 inch. Pepper enters into the mix as it enters into the
2/3 Burn line has stayed pretty sharp. The pepper note disappears and leather is definitely dominating the profile again. As I burn through this 3rd the pepper comes and goes and further in the leather note becomes more crisp. I would call this a medium and maybe pushing into the bottom end of full.
3/3 The cigar smoke becomes a little airy which could just be due to the fact I don't normally smoke this big of a cigar and my palate may not be able to handle it. Close to the end the I did get some more leather but for me it was a struggle to finish this cigar because of the airy feel I was getting from the smoke but I would not attribute it to the quality of the cigar.

My guess for this cigar would be the top shelf smoke as it was decent until the final third and I think it was more me then the cigar that dropped in quality.

#3 5x50 dark chocolate in color single cap. I noticed some real dark leaves int he middle of the foot when looking at it which makes me think this might have some latakia in it. I don't get that aroma though that they say you would when smelling it.

Starts off real spicy which makes me think it really does have latakia in it as it has been a while since I picked my pipe up but if I can recall the blends I liked were spicy like this. Not much goes on in this cigar until I hit the midway point and start to get some of those maduro flavors like a sweet earthiness but it fades in and out with the spiciness. That spiciness tones down from what I would say was an 8 to a 5 while the earthiness fades in and out. It finished pretty much the same as the it was from the midway point on.

I am just guessing on this one and Tampatom has hinted that I am off on it but I would say this is the yard gar which if so I would definitely keep some on hand and the only cigar I know with latakia is Spectre.

#2 5x52ish Dark maduro wrapper almost black in color with a closed foot and pigtail cap. This is a pretty familiar look to me cause I like the Kristoff liger maduro and have a few on hand but only smoking it will tell if it is indeed a Kristoff.

Starts off with a deep dark chocolate taste right away and I enjoy that taste very much. Short way in I gets notes of earth, chocolate, and just a touch of cedar. Ash is a strong white color and nice and tight with a perfect burn line. Midway through cedar takes the forefront with chocolate and earth fading to the background. I have not picked up any pepper so I am thinking this may not be a ligero. Cedar fades a little towards the end but all three flavors are noticeable still. Pretty much ends that way and I really enjoyed this cigar.

I would say this the mid-range and am definitely thinking it was a Kristoff and lean towards the maduro line since I don't think there was ligero in it.

#1 7x54 Torpedo with a medium brown wrapper, nicely rolled no visible seems and smooth wrapper.

1/3 Starts off with a taste I am not too familiar with in cigars but best I can describe it is like a charred piece of meat. That taste falls off about 1/2 inch in. It gets mild at that point but I do pick up some leather in there. The ash is grey in color and is holding up nicely but I knock it off about 1 inch in.

2/3 Cedar makes an appearance for the first time. This flavor takes over the 2/3 but becomes bitter towards the end of this 3rd.

3/3 At this point in the cigar the smoke production dies way off. It isn't plugged but I just can't get enough smoke out of it to taste anything. I struggle with this for a bit but pitched this one a little early around the 1 1/2 inch left mark.

I would guess this one to be the $1 cheapo as there was not a lot going on in there for me and the quality seemed to have fallen off at the end.


Thanks TampaTom for the smokes and the fun you provided me in reviewing these. Now lets see how far off I am on this reviews because the only one I felt super confident in was the mid-range.
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#157 Posted:
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shaun341 wrote:
Finished up my reviews this weekend so here we go

#4 7x46ish oily milk chocolate colored wrapper with a sweet chocolate aroma coming from the wrapper. Just a slight toothiness to the wrapper as well.
1/3 starts off with leather the dominant note and hints of chocolate in the background. Short ways in a retro has some spiciness to it. The ash is tight and white and holds strong but I knock it off at around 3/4 inch. Pepper enters into the mix as it enters into the
2/3 Burn line has stayed pretty sharp. The pepper note disappears and leather is definitely dominating the profile again. As I burn through this 3rd the pepper comes and goes and further in the leather note becomes more crisp. I would call this a medium and maybe pushing into the bottom end of full.
3/3 The cigar smoke becomes a little airy which could just be due to the fact I don't normally smoke this big of a cigar and my palate may not be able to handle it. Close to the end the I did get some more leather but for me it was a struggle to finish this cigar because of the airy feel I was getting from the smoke but I would not attribute it to the quality of the cigar.

My guess for this cigar would be the top shelf smoke as it was decent until the final third and I think it was more me then the cigar that dropped in quality.

#3 5x50 dark chocolate in color single cap. I noticed some real dark leaves int he middle of the foot when looking at it which makes me think this might have some latakia in it. I don't get that aroma though that they say you would when smelling it.

Starts off real spicy which makes me think it really does have latakia in it as it has been a while since I picked my pipe up but if I can recall the blends I liked were spicy like this. Not much goes on in this cigar until I hit the midway point and start to get some of those maduro flavors like a sweet earthiness but it fades in and out with the spiciness. That spiciness tones down from what I would say was an 8 to a 5 while the earthiness fades in and out. It finished pretty much the same as the it was from the midway point on.

I am just guessing on this one and Tampatom has hinted that I am off on it but I would say this is the yard gar which if so I would definitely keep some on hand and the only cigar I know with latakia is Spectre.

#2 5x52ish Dark maduro wrapper almost black in color with a closed foot and pigtail cap. This is a pretty familiar look to me cause I like the Kristoff liger maduro and have a few on hand but only smoking it will tell if it is indeed a Kristoff.

Starts off with a deep dark chocolate taste right away and I enjoy that taste very much. Short way in I gets notes of earth, chocolate, and just a touch of cedar. Ash is a strong white color and nice and tight with a perfect burn line. Midway through cedar takes the forefront with chocolate and earth fading to the background. I have not picked up any pepper so I am thinking this may not be a ligero. Cedar fades a little towards the end but all three flavors are noticeable still. Pretty much ends that way and I really enjoyed this cigar.

I would say this the mid-range and am definitely thinking it was a Kristoff and lean towards the maduro line since I don't think there was ligero in it.

#1 7x54 Torpedo with a medium brown wrapper, nicely rolled no visible seems and smooth wrapper.

1/3 Starts off with a taste I am not too familiar with in cigars but best I can describe it is like a charred piece of meat. That taste falls off about 1/2 inch in. It gets mild at that point but I do pick up some leather in there. The ash is grey in color and is holding up nicely but I knock it off about 1 inch in.

2/3 Cedar makes an appearance for the first time. This flavor takes over the 2/3 but becomes bitter towards the end of this 3rd.

3/3 At this point in the cigar the smoke production dies way off. It isn't plugged but I just can't get enough smoke out of it to taste anything. I struggle with this for a bit but pitched this one a little early around the 1 1/2 inch left mark.

I would guess this one to be the $1 cheapo as there was not a lot going on in there for me and the quality seemed to have fallen off at the end.


Thanks TampaTom for the smokes and the fun you provided me in reviewing these. Now lets see how far off I am on this reviews because the only one I felt super confident in was the mid-range.

#4 torano exodus maduro.....unbanded in 5 packs. Worked out to 2.50 each and these were my yard gar but i quit buying them after the sellout. At least a year or two on these. What i like is you set it down for 10 minutes and it needs no relight. This is my yard gar second.

#3 this was my topshelf. Fuente anejo.......been sitting in humidor for 2 years. No latakia but wrapper aged in cognac barrels.

#2 - Esteban chupacabra maduro. New smoke, mid range. I like the wrapper and its dark flavor edge. These might age well.

#1 you are right $1 cheapie. I used to like these and sent this from new bundle. label on bottom says it has an oscuro wrapper.........looks too light...the maduro were decent....they are well made but flavor is weak this time..i buy these from a cuban guy Juan Lopez..very little info on but from Nicaragua.
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#158 Posted:
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That's surprising lol. Shaun liked the torano more than the anejo
shaun341 Offline
#159 Posted:
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Dang that #3 is shocking to me cause Anejo is one of my favorites and I have never gotten spicy from them before. I haven't smoked any 50s though that I can remember but a ton of 46s and a few 77s.

The Esteban chupacabra maduro was good and I liked them, typical maduro flavors and may pick up a 5er of those in the future.

I would never have guessed that el cheapo as an oscuro it was way lighter like you said.

Man I was way off on all of them, I have a box of anejo 46s from about 2.5 years ago I haven't opened yet going to have to try one of them this weekend now. Thanks Tampa it was fun!!
bgz Offline
#160 Posted:
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I think I've given more Anejos away than I've smoked, lol.

I like them, but I rarely choose them... probably why I haven't committed to a box (though I got quite a few).
tamapatom Offline
#161 Posted:
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shaun341 wrote:
Dang that #3 is shocking to me cause Anejo is one of my favorites and I have never gotten spicy from them before. I haven't smoked any 50s though that I can remember but a ton of 46s and a few 77s.

The Esteban chupacabra maduro was good and I liked them, typical maduro flavors and may pick up a 5er of those in the future.

I would never have guessed that el cheapo as an oscuro it was way lighter like you said.

Man I was way off on all of them, I have a box of anejo 46s from about 2.5 years ago I haven't opened yet going to have to try one of them this weekend now. Thanks Tampa it was fun!!


The chupacabra hooked me with its alluring look in a shpo....it almost jumped off the shelf and attacked me. Dirty little bloodsuckers.

I was disappointed in the oscuro......the other version of this that I had was a maduro that was darker but it was mixed filler....though the mixed filler was notably better flavor but not as nice ash or burn. i wonder if that is because the mixed filler comes from better tobacco but the long filler, though long, is a lower grade of tobacco?

Sorry the anejo didn't work out for you. This is what makes blind tasting so much fun. We approach things with no preconceptions and just go with what we like. I'll be interested in your comparison of the hibernating Anejo you are going to try this weekend. Anejo may just be one of those acquired tastes - definitely different.

As for the Torano, i had to throw my old fav in for this blind just for fun. I have no faith that General is going to keep Torano around - no mention of the brand in it's portfolio and no web presence. I think after the current stock is depleted you won't see them anymore. Another one bites the dust.
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#162 Posted:
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The new Torano branding is laughably like the new Camacho.
tamapatom Offline
#163 Posted:
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
The new Torano branding is laughably like the new Camacho.


Difference being Davidoff benefits by adding a line to widen their appeal. General has so much already I think they are just buying out the competition?
SmokeMonkey Offline
#164 Posted:
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Could be. It's similar enough, though, that you may see Davidoff file a legal complaint.
tamapatom Offline
#165 Posted:
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
Could be. It's similar enough, though, that you may see Davidoff file a legal complaint.

Haven't seen it yet. Big bold primary color labels? Intriguing.
tamapatom Offline
#166 Posted:
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Back on topic......who is next going to give us some reviews???????
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Namadio's arrived today. Can't wait to get started!!

Thanks for the hitchhikers and the sauce.

David
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Dan's #1 was a 5.5" x 54ish x 40ish oval press with a medium brown wrapper and a two tone swirl of tobacco on the foot. V cut this one and am getting a bit of a sweet cocoa on the cold draw with a bit of pepper on the lips. On the first draw it was a bit harsh with a bitter pepper which calmed quickly to what i would describe as an oak flavor.

Through the first third im getting a nice long finish in my mouth with just a hint of pepper, a bitter chocolate and the oak flavor is still lingering. Lots of smoke output on this and a good burn without requiring any touch ups. Starting out as a medium, but can tell its building a bit.

The second third is still holding a nice long finish but it is holding more of the bitter chocolate or coffee flavor and a bit more pepper. Burning very well and holding onto the ash well. Gaining strength as it is going on through the halfway point.

The final third was still very good. Little shorter on the finish toward the end and more of a nutty flavor developed as it was getting to the end. One relight was required as i was watching hockey but just a touch of flame and it was back rolling smoke to the finish. Finished more medium than i thought it would but still a very tasty cigar.

Good burn throughout and lots of creamy smoke from this one. Im guessing this was the middle range cigar, as it had a good flavor profile but nothing that was over the top.

Thanks Dan for the good start to another round of reviews.
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#169 Posted:
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frozenphoenix1 wrote:
Dan's #1 was a 5.5" x 54ish x 40ish oval press with a medium brown wrapper and a two tone swirl of tobacco on the foot. V cut this one and am getting a bit of a sweet cocoa on the cold draw with a bit of pepper on the lips. On the first draw it was a bit harsh with a bitter pepper which calmed quickly to what i would describe as an oak flavor.

Through the first third im getting a nice long finish in my mouth with just a hint of pepper, a bitter chocolate and the oak flavor is still lingering. Lots of smoke output on this and a good burn without requiring any touch ups. Starting out as a medium, but can tell its building a bit.

The second third is still holding a nice long finish but it is holding more of the bitter chocolate or coffee flavor and a bit more pepper. Burning very well and holding onto the ash well. Gaining strength as it is going on through the halfway point.

The final third was still very good. Little shorter on the finish toward the end and more of a nutty flavor developed as it was getting to the end. One relight was required as i was watching hockey but just a touch of flame and it was back rolling smoke to the finish. Finished more medium than i thought it would but still a very tasty cigar.

Good burn throughout and lots of creamy smoke from this one. Im guessing this was the middle range cigar, as it had a good flavor profile but nothing that was over the top.

Thanks Dan for the good start to another round of reviews.


2014 Famous Nicaraguan Selection 3000s. Dunno about current production, but these were /are great with age.
bgz Offline
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Interesting to read a review for the same line of cigar I did. Pretty sure ours were from a different batch. The one I reviewed, the dominating flavor for me was earth, and the wrapper was darker. I didn't catch any coffee or chocolate in it, though there was a hint of sweetness throughout.
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#171 Posted:
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I was hoping to do one of two this week, but I think I'm getting a cold or alleges. May give it a shot next week.
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bgz wrote:
Interesting to read a review for the same line of cigar I did. Pretty sure ours were from a different batch. The one I reviewed, the dominating flavor for me was earth, and the wrapper was darker. I didn't catch any coffee or chocolate in it, though there was a hint of sweetness throughout.


Bought a bundle last spring, nowhere near what these from early '14 are.
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#173 Posted:
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The ones I got BGZ and sent you one from were around Christmas time so not a lot of time on them at all. That was the first bundle I have bought of them and from what Dan is saying they were a better product it sounds a couple years ago. Was interesting though that both of you got to review the same cigar from different years.

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#174 Posted:
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Thats a bummer that they are not as good right now. I would have bought those up if they were consistent with aging.
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Ok, due to excitement and impatience, I've decided to go ahead and give the first one a shot, hopefully my taste buds are in decent shape. I haven't taken detailed notes or given my full attention to a smoke in a while so bear with me on this.

Cigar #1 appears to be a 5x50 robusto with a medium dark wrapper. Somewhere in the maduro neighborhood, perhaps. Wrapper in smooth, with a little bit of tooth - just enough to give it a slight visual texture. I think it's a double cap with a stray bit of leaf but it could be a triple. Some veins, but not many of prominence. It appears well wrapped with some slight seams. It feels heavy in the hand and pleasingly firm (no Hep C here). There's a little sweet spice coming from the wrapper. Mix leather in with that and you have the scent off the foot. I cut with a guillotine and the scent off the head showed some slight citrus as well. As of now, I'm feeling semi-confident in my olfactory function and hope it bodes well for my sense of taste.

The head appears quite packed and the cold draw reflects that, as it's a little tight. I taste nothing on the cold, which is pretty typical for me. Time to light up.

Not a pepper blast, per say, but definitely there. A little dry in the mouth with the. Hose citrus hints as well. That quickly fades and there's a definite sweetness but it's undefined at this early point. The smoke smells heavenly, however. It has started at a medium body with a long finish.

I feel as if I may have had this before. The pepper is becoming more prominent along with a sweet earthiness. And, to quote Wheel, oh my - the smoke.... While the pepper isn't dominating the flavor, it is building on my palate during the long finish. Cedar is starting to come to the forefront as well. The first retro absolutely reinforces the pepper. Fantastic!

The draw remains firm throughout the first third. I'm stuck in pepper/cedar land and I'm more than cool with that. Light gray ash as tight as I've ever seen. The burn is quite even. I've paired this with spring water, but it may deserve a little something stronger. The ash falls at the end of the first third.

The second third, flavor-wise, keeps on with the same theme, although the the pepper is becoming increasingly prominent. Through the nose is absolute pepper with a few floral hints afterwards. I would say the cedar is becoming more floral at this point and there is a definitely lemony flavor on the tip of the tongue. Every now and then there a brief bitter interlude like charred meat. It makes a nice counterpoint. I would say the body is medium full now. The sweetness has declined steadily and is now gone.

More bitterness crept in, so I slowed down to see if that would help. And indeed it did with the floral/cedar becoming more pronounced again. Pepper is still primary.

The last third continues with prominent pepper. Most of the transitions were earlier in the cigar - at least to the point. The ash falls again, so it's holding on a third of the way each time. The burn continues to be remarkably even and the draw has loosened up a bit, but is still on the firm side.

Definite full body at the end, and the nicotine has come in strong after being nowhere to be found for the first 2/3. The charred notes came back towards the end and the finish became shorter in the final third.

This was a really good experience. Based on the quality of the wrapper, the construction and the burn I believe this may be the top shelf offering. If not, I have a great deal to look forward to with the next two. Thanks FP!
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#176 Posted:
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frozenphoenix1 wrote:
Thats a bummer that they are not as good right now. I would have bought those up if they were consistent with aging.


I didn't touch that bundle for 14 months, When I tried em, I was impressed, but decided to wait a bit. Come tax return 2015, I blew through a bunch of money I shouldn't have, and bought another bundle among many others. That bundle has not improved much, and started off much worse than the original. I suspect the crop that produced the ringers is long gone.
bgz Offline
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shaun341 wrote:
The ones I got BGZ and sent you one from were around Christmas time so not a lot of time on them at all. That was the first bundle I have bought of them and from what Dan is saying they were a better product it sounds a couple years ago. Was interesting though that both of you got to review the same cigar from different years.




Yeah, it was definitely interesting to see the other review. Like I said, I only had one other in the line, I don't remember the characteristics of it, but I do remember that I enjoyed it. I'm pretty sure as it's a house blend, they probably vary greatly from batch to batch.
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
Ok, due to excitement and impatience, I've decided to go ahead and give the first one a shot, hopefully my taste buds are in decent shape. I haven't taken detailed notes or given my full attention to a smoke in a while so bear with me on this.

Cigar #1 appears to be a 5x50 robusto with a medium dark wrapper. Somewhere in the maduro neighborhood, perhaps. Wrapper in smooth, with a little bit of tooth - just enough to give it a slight visual texture. I think it's a double cap with a stray bit of leaf but it could be a triple. Some veins, but not many of prominence. It appears well wrapped with some slight seams. It feels heavy in the hand and pleasingly firm (no Hep C here). There's a little sweet spice coming from the wrapper. Mix leather in with that and you have the scent off the foot. I cut with a guillotine and the scent off the head showed some slight citrus as well. As of now, I'm feeling semi-confident in my olfactory function and hope it bodes well for my sense of taste.

The head appears quite packed and the cold draw reflects that, as it's a little tight. I taste nothing on the cold, which is pretty typical for me. Time to light up.

Not a pepper blast, per say, but definitely there. A little dry in the mouth with the. Hose citrus hints as well. That quickly fades and there's a definite sweetness but it's undefined at this early point. The smoke smells heavenly, however. It has started at a medium body with a long finish.

I feel as if I may have had this before. The pepper is becoming more prominent along with a sweet earthiness. And, to quote Wheel, oh my - the smoke.... While the pepper isn't dominating the flavor, it is building on my palate during the long finish. Cedar is starting to come to the forefront as well. The first retro absolutely reinforces the pepper. Fantastic!

The draw remains firm throughout the first third. I'm stuck in pepper/cedar land and I'm more than cool with that. Light gray ash as tight as I've ever seen. The burn is quite even. I've paired this with spring water, but it may deserve a little something stronger. The ash falls at the end of the first third.

The second third, flavor-wise, keeps on with the same theme, although the the pepper is becoming increasingly prominent. Through the nose is absolute pepper with a few floral hints afterwards. I would say the cedar is becoming more floral at this point and there is a definitely lemony flavor on the tip of the tongue. Every now and then there a brief bitter interlude like charred meat. It makes a nice counterpoint. I would say the body is medium full now. The sweetness has declined steadily and is now gone.

More bitterness crept in, so I slowed down to see if that would help. And indeed it did with the floral/cedar becoming more pronounced again. Pepper is still primary.

The last third continues with prominent pepper. Most of the transitions were earlier in the cigar - at least to the point. The ash falls again, so it's holding on a third of the way each time. The burn continues to be remarkably even and the draw has loosened up a bit, but is still on the firm side.

Definite full body at the end, and the nicotine has come in strong after being nowhere to be found for the first 2/3. The charred notes came back towards the end and the finish became shorter in the final third.

This was a really good experience. Based on the quality of the wrapper, the construction and the burn I believe this may be the top shelf offering. If not, I have a great deal to look forward to with the next two. Thanks FP!


Well... this was the mid range cigar and it is a Tatuaje Tattoo Caballero(robusto), and one of my favorite cigars. Good flavor to start with, but that sweetness that is there to start is always nice and I have had it linger into the final third if I am patient with them. Glad you enjoyed it and look forward to the other ones.
tamapatom Offline
#179 Posted:
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Hmmmmm.......I may have to revisit the Tatoo.......tried it but never hit with me before.
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#180 Posted:
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Hmmmmm.......I may have to revisit the Tatoo.......tried it but never hit with me before.
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#181 Posted:
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Hmmmmm.......I may have to revisit the Tatoo.......tried it but never hit with me before.
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#182 Posted:
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Oh crap, its happening again!!!
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#183 Posted:
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Really?
Really?
Really? They are different change of pace in the full strength and full flavored selections.

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#184 Posted:
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Well I obviously have a great treat in store later then. Absolutely excellent. Will be picking some up.
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#185 Posted:
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Changing it up and going with #3.

A 4.5 x 48 firm rolled in a darker brown wrapper with minimal seams and veins and a couple lighter shaded leaves shown in the foot. V cut this one as well and im getting a bit of grassy flavor on the cold draw. First draw was a strong and lingering dose of pepper and dry hay flavor.

The first third started out with a big dose of pepper and then started to leave a bit of a creamier finish, but having a hard time putting a flavor to this one. Little wavy on the burn requiring rotations to try and keep it straight. Flavor is turning more cedary as i finish this third and the ash is getting loose.

The second third calmed down with the pepper and im getting a longer cedar finish with a hint of some sweetness. This is definitely a full strength cigar and the burn has straightened out not requiring as much attention. Retrohale is still providing a little peppery burn, but not getting that in the mouth.

The final third is starting the same with the long cedary finish and bits of pepper on the retrohale. Not changing much through the cigar and continuing to hope that there will be a shift but not looking promising. Lots of nicotine in this on as im starting to feel the buzz.

This one was hard to finish out, Im not sure if it was me tonight, but i would have to say this better be the lower end or i just missed out.

What was #3 Dan?
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#186 Posted:
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Here is my review of SmokeMonkey's #2.

I smoked the #2 first because I didn’t have enough time to devote to the larger #1 and #3. It was a 5x50 robusto, with a reddish medium brown wrapper covering similar hued wrappers with a few dark brown, nearly black leaves. There were two veins that ran the length of the solid, tightly rolled cigar. There was only a slight give when I pinched it. The fragrance was of sweet tobacco, cocoa and spice. The pre-light draw had some resistance and tasted of tea and sweet spice. I paired it with iced water, which I usually have when I want to concentrate on the flavors of the smoke and just cleanse the palate between puffs.

The first sensation after lighting the cigar was a dryness on the lips, and in the mouth and nasal passages. The primary flavors were cedary wood, cocoa and mild spice and pepper that left a little burning tingle in the mouth. I had to sip some water between puffs due to the dryness of the smoke. The cigar had a slightly tight draw, but produced a good amount of smoke and a nice sweet tobacco aroma.

A veggie brothy flavor combined with wood and sweet tobacco emerged as the dominant flavors in the second third. The cocoa, pepper and spice was gone. The dryness remained, but the smoke was cool and smooth. The pleasant blend of veggie broth, wood and sweet tobacco was the dominant taste. These flavors blended so well it was difficult to discern them individually. Near the last of the middle third, I tasted a few cocoa notes.

During the final third, the cigar’s feel got noticeably softer and spongy. There were a few mild pepper notes while the wood faded some, leaving the blend of veggie broth and sweet tobacco as the primary flavors. Near the end, the wood returned, but in a charred wood taste. I smoked it to a one inch nub, after an hour and fifteen minutes.

The burn wavered a bit in the beginning but straightened out in the second half. The light and dark gray ash was solid but flaky and held for about an inch. This was a good satisfying cigar, strong but not over-powering. It reminded me a lot of one of my fave “yard gars”, the Camacho Corojo. Though it produced a dry smoke, it was never hot or harsh. Although the Camacho Corojo is priced in the yard gar range, it compares favorably to cigars that are in the middle price tier.
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#187 Posted:
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Some really good reviews.
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#188 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Here is my review of SmokeMonkey's #2.

I smoked the #2 first because I didn’t have enough time to devote to the larger #1 and #3. It was a 5x50 robusto, with a reddish medium brown wrapper covering similar hued wrappers with a few dark brown, nearly black leaves. There were two veins that ran the length of the solid, tightly rolled cigar. There was only a slight give when I pinched it. The fragrance was of sweet tobacco, cocoa and spice. The pre-light draw had some resistance and tasted of tea and sweet spice. I paired it with iced water, which I usually have when I want to concentrate on the flavors of the smoke and just cleanse the palate between puffs.

The first sensation after lighting the cigar was a dryness on the lips, and in the mouth and nasal passages. The primary flavors were cedary wood, cocoa and mild spice and pepper that left a little burning tingle in the mouth. I had to sip some water between puffs due to the dryness of the smoke. The cigar had a slightly tight draw, but produced a good amount of smoke and a nice sweet tobacco aroma.

A veggie brothy flavor combined with wood and sweet tobacco emerged as the dominant flavors in the second third. The cocoa, pepper and spice was gone. The dryness remained, but the smoke was cool and smooth. The pleasant blend of veggie broth, wood and sweet tobacco was the dominant taste. These flavors blended so well it was difficult to discern them individually. Near the last of the middle third, I tasted a few cocoa notes.

During the final third, the cigar’s feel got noticeably softer and spongy. There were a few mild pepper notes while the wood faded some, leaving the blend of veggie broth and sweet tobacco as the primary flavors. Near the end, the wood returned, but in a charred wood taste. I smoked it to a one inch nub, after an hour and fifteen minutes.

The burn wavered a bit in the beginning but straightened out in the second half. The light and dark gray ash was solid but flaky and held for about an inch. This was a good satisfying cigar, strong but not over-powering. It reminded me a lot of one of my fave “yard gars”, the Camacho Corojo. Though it produced a dry smoke, it was never hot or harsh. Although the Camacho Corojo is priced in the yard gar range, it compares favorably to cigars that are in the middle price tier.


Al, that was the high end - Davidoff Nicaragua. Interested for your take on the other two, mainly because while that was the most expensive, I don't think it was the best one I sent.
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#189 Posted:
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frozenphoenix1 wrote:
Changing it up and going with #3.

A 4.5 x 48 firm rolled in a darker brown wrapper with minimal seams and veins and a couple lighter shaded leaves shown in the foot. V cut this one as well and im getting a bit of grassy flavor on the cold draw. First draw was a strong and lingering dose of pepper and dry hay flavor.

The first third started out with a big dose of pepper and then started to leave a bit of a creamier finish, but having a hard time putting a flavor to this one. Little wavy on the burn requiring rotations to try and keep it straight. Flavor is turning more cedary as i finish this third and the ash is getting loose.

The second third calmed down with the pepper and im getting a longer cedar finish with a hint of some sweetness. This is definitely a full strength cigar and the burn has straightened out not requiring as much attention. Retrohale is still providing a little peppery burn, but not getting that in the mouth.

The final third is starting the same with the long cedary finish and bits of pepper on the retrohale. Not changing much through the cigar and continuing to hope that there will be a shift but not looking promising. Lots of nicotine in this on as im starting to feel the buzz.

This one was hard to finish out, Im not sure if it was me tonight, but i would have to say this better be the lower end or i just missed out.

What was #3 Dan?


No 3 was a late 2014 My Father Le Bijou 1922 Short Robusto. Your review reflects my own from this box. It's improved leaps and bounds over the powerhouse they were fresh, but still punches above my weight. Good smokes, though they really need to sleep a full two or three years before fitting my preferred profile.
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#190 Posted:
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
Al, that was the high end - Davidoff Nicaragua. Interested for your take on the other two, mainly because while that was the most expensive, I don't think it was the best one I sent.

Veggie broth and soft and spongy are not terms that excite me.........I was curious about the Davidoff Nic but never pulled the trigger on one as it seemed to be a high price that might only be justified by glowing referral. Not as promising now. The description did not sound like a Camacho corojo either. Great reviews everyone. Keep them coming!
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#191 Posted:
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I've had the Davidoff Nicaragua Solomon, it was outstanding.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I've had the Davidoff Nicaragua Solomon, it was outstanding.


I've had two of the Davidoff Nicaragua, think a rob and a toro, and both were good to great. Nothing mind blowing, but definitely up there. Not sure if worth the cost of admission though.
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#193 Posted:
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Mine have been similar to Dan's and Jamie's. Sounds like I sent you a scrub, Al. I may need to make up for that...
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I've had the Davidoff Nicaragua Solomon, it was outstanding.


Ya, I got a couple robustos from harleyd in a PIB. I Smoked one, it was an amazing smoke. Still got one in the wings.
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OK....so you guys got me back to the "still interested in trying" category.
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tamapatom wrote:
OK....so you guys got me back to the "still interested in trying" category.


Hmmm Think
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#197 Posted:
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
Al, that was the high end - Davidoff Nicaragua. Interested for your take on the other two, mainly because while that was the most expensive, I don't think it was the best one I sent.



I actually really liked the #2, enough to nub it to an inch, just as I really like the Camacho Corojo, old blend. I haven't tried the new one. The Davidoff was a very good and satisfying cigar. The flavors and dryness of the first third reminded me of a vintage '06 Camacho Corojo Monarca I smoked last week. My description "veggie broth" is not meant to be disparaging. It's only an attempt to describe a nice combination of veggie-like flavors that blend well, kinda like a hearty minnestrone. And the size of the #2 matches the Monarca. Alas, the Davidoff Nicaragua goes for about 3x the price of the Corojo, so it wouldn't be something that I would stock up on.

Thanks for sending that one, SmokeMonkey. I've wanted to try it. By the way, I really like the slightly pricier Davidoff Puro d' Oro too, a better tasting cigar than the #2, imho, but I won't be stocking up on them either.

I'll post my reviews of the #1 and #3 together, to stay within the spirit of this pass: guessing the identity and price range of an unbanded cigar. Since I've struck out on the #2, I'll have some help with the next two, but I'll try my best to judge them individually.
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delta1 wrote:
I actually really liked the #2, enough to nub it to an inch, just as I really like the Camacho Corojo, old blend. I haven't tried the new one. The Davidoff was a very good and satisfying cigar. The flavors and dryness of the first third reminded me of a vintage '06 Camacho Corojo Monarca I smoked last week. My description "veggie broth" is not meant to be disparaging. It's only an attempt to describe a nice combination of veggie-like flavors that blend well, kinda like a hearty minnestrone. And the size of the #2 matches the Monarca. Alas, the Davidoff Nicaragua goes for about 3x the price of the Corojo, so it wouldn't be something that I would stock up on.

Thanks for sending that one, SmokeMonkey. I've wanted to try it. By the way, I really like the slightly pricier Davidoff Puro d' Oro too, a better tasting cigar than the #2, imho, but I won't be stocking up on them either.

I'll post my reviews of the #1 and #3 together, to stay within the spirit of this pass: guessing the identity and price range of an unbanded cigar. Since I've struck out on the #2, I'll have some help with the next two, but I'll try my best to judge them individually.


You're just saying that because you're afraid I'll send you 37 more Perdomos and a 10 lb sack of grits Whistle

I do keep a few Davidoffs in my humidor, mainly Nicaraguas and a couple of Year of the Monkeys, but I agree I'm not sure they are worth the price. I do plan to pick up a few of the new box press, which allegedly has a little stronger blend.

Since they are discontinuing the Puro d'Oro I may pick up a few to try. It's been on my list but never seem to get around to it. I guess I should while I can.... Hmmm, I've felt the need to stop in at my B&M anyway.

I really haven't had a great amount of luck with the high end stuff. It never seems to be worth the exponential cost versus my every day. That said, watch FP's high end blow me away....
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SmokeMonkey wrote:


I really haven't had a great amount of luck with the high end stuff. It never seems to be worth the exponential cost versus my every day. That said, watch FP's high end blow me away....


The super premium stuff never seems worth the price to me. But when I've had em blindly (and they fall in my wheelhouse) I feel like they do impress, but when I find the price tag, it loses some of the appeal.

I've not found a $20 cigar that has ever out performed a $10 cigar, and I've found plenty $5-6 cigars that out perform $10 cigars, and get bonus points in my mind for being affordable.
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danmdevries wrote:
The super premium stuff never seems worth the price to me. But when I've had em blindly (and they fall in my wheelhouse) I feel like they do impress, but when I find the price tag, it loses some of the appeal.

I've not found a $20 cigar that has ever out performed a $10 cigar, and I've found plenty $5-6 cigars that out perform $10 cigars, and get bonus points in my mind for being affordable.

Seems to be my opinion too generally but i would add that my reluctance to try an expensive cigar lies more in the concern of whether it is in my wheelhouse or not.

I have had some super premium that i can say for sure were a great cigar but not always something that would send me back because it was too much this or that for my tastes. Others are definitely better but become a value question as Dan says and even others where your palette just isnt up to discerning the difference. I think that price/quality ratio always results in diminishing returns at the higher end - you pay increasingly more for every small increment of improvement that always at some point crosses your palette threshold.
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