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HuSh moneY cAsE...who will WIN ?
Mr. Jones Offline
#1 Posted:
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I'm betting right now...

That if TRUMP somehow pulls of an election win in Nov. 2024
That he will PARDON HIMSELF ON ALL F.O.U.R LAWSUITS
GUARANTEED...

ALSO:

STORMY DANIELS WILL HAVE AN "ACCIDENTAL DEATH" WITHIN
6 MONTHS OF HIM WINNING THE PRESIDENCY AGAIN...

PLUS:

MICHEAL COHEN WILL HAVE AN UNFORTUNATE "HEART ATTACK"
AFTER EATING AT HIS FAVORITE RESTAURANT IN NYC...HIS FOOD WILL BE POISIONED WITH THE THE FAKE CIA HEART ATTACK DRUG...

AND FANNI WILLIS WILL DIE IN A HEAD ON CRASH WITH A SEMI TRACTOR TRAILER....ALONG WITH THAT EX GEORGIA ELECTIONS OFFICIAL WHO RATTED OUT TRUMP WILL BE FLATTENED LIKE A PANCAKE ON I-95...
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
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Nobody has called me yet... Mellow
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I'm betting right now...

That if TRUMP somehow pulls of an election win in Nov. 2024
That he will PARDON HIMSELF ON ALL F.O.U.R LAWSUITS
GUARANTEED...

He can only pardon federal crimes. Georgia and the other states' will be up to their governors to pardon him should they
wish to. As to pardoning one's self, that would be an interesting legal issue to wonder about.

If you want a short, but thorough article to read:

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/could-donald-trump-pardon-himself/
DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I'm betting right now...

That if TRUMP somehow pulls of an election win in Nov. 2024
That he will PARDON HIMSELF ON ALL F.O.U.R LAWSUITS
GUARANTEED...

ALSO:

STORMY DANIELS WILL HAVE AN "ACCIDENTAL DEATH" WITHIN
6 MONTHS OF HIM WINNING THE PRESIDENCY AGAIN...

PLUS:

MICHEAL COHEN WILL HAVE AN UNFORTUNATE "HEART ATTACK"
AFTER EATING AT HIS FAVORITE RESTAURANT IN NYC...HIS FOOD WILL BE POISIONED WITH THE THE FAKE CIA HEART ATTACK DRUG...

AND FANNI WILLIS WILL DIE IN A HEAD ON CRASH WITH A SEMI TRACTOR TRAILER....ALONG WITH THAT EX GEORGIA ELECTIONS OFFICIAL WHO RATTED OUT TRUMP WILL BE FLATTENED LIKE A PANCAKE ON I-95...



All of these "cases" were a coordinated effort with the White House and the DOJ. They're all falling apart because they hold no merit. What they're doing is trying to sully Trump before an election that he's going to win. Lawfare is the only tool the DNC has. Their party is crap, their leader is crap and people voting for them are crap. Every single case is a laughable joke that I already told you held no merit. If they do convict...it gets turned on appeal. Easy peasy too. The judges in some of these should've recused themselves and decided (because that's how they won office!) to take a run at Trump. Ever wonder how the #3 at the DOJ walks down to a state DA level? It's because the White House wants their man on it. The collusion is rampant on this. Who gets gag ordered to talk to the Press? Trump. America sees through the sham. There's a reason why he's ahead in the polls. Pedo Joe has NOTHING America needs and never did. He's a corrupt POS that opened up the Executive Branch to the SCOTUS. The boomerang effect is going to destroy former Presidents with the precedent set with this case.
frankj1 Offline
#5 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Nobody has called me yet... Mellow

your ringer is off...
JGKAMIN Offline
#6 Posted:
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Posts: 1,413
Mr. Jones wrote:
I'm betting right now...

That if TRUMP somehow pulls of an election win in Nov. 2024
That he will PARDON HIMSELF ON ALL F.O.U.R LAWSUITS
GUARANTEED...

ALSO:

STORMY DANIELS WILL HAVE AN "ACCIDENTAL DEATH" WITHIN
6 MONTHS OF HIM WINNING THE PRESIDENCY AGAIN...

PLUS:

MICHEAL COHEN WILL HAVE AN UNFORTUNATE "HEART ATTACK"
AFTER EATING AT HIS FAVORITE RESTAURANT IN NYC...HIS FOOD WILL BE POISIONED WITH THE THE FAKE CIA HEART ATTACK DRUG...

AND FANNI WILLIS WILL DIE IN A HEAD ON CRASH WITH A SEMI TRACTOR TRAILER....ALONG WITH THAT EX GEORGIA ELECTIONS OFFICIAL WHO RATTED OUT TRUMP WILL BE FLATTENED LIKE A PANCAKE ON I-95...

You have your parties confused, this is not Hillary and Bill.Herfing
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
your ringer is off...

What?
Didn't you get the call?
rfenst Offline
#8 Posted:
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Mistrial due to hold-out jurror(s).
Mr. Jones Offline
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This just O.U.T. TODAY!!!

STORMY SPANKED TRUMP DURING THEIR ADULT ENCOUNTER...

SHE MADE HIS ASS CHERRY RED...

THEN MUSHROOM HEAD DEEEK
YELLED... ... "DMV PROTECTS MEEEEEEEE"
ON THE CIGARBID POLITICAL FORUM...

JUST LIKE AN S.H.P.O....
deadeyedick Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
This just O.U.T. TODAY!!!

STORMY SPANKED TRUMP DURING THEIR ADULT ENCOUNTER...

SHE MADE HIS ASS CHERRY RED...

THEN MUSHROOM HEAD DEEEK
YELLED... ... "DMV PROTECTS MEEEEEEEE"
ON THE CIGARBID POLITICAL FORUM...

JUST LIKE AN S.H.P.O....


LOL LOL
jeebling Offline
#11 Posted:
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whip whip
JGRAZ Offline
#12 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Mistrial due to hold-out jurror(s).


Honestly I think one of the two lawyers in the jury are going to hold out.
Abrignac Offline
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Never seen muddier water than this trial. Trump’s lawyer seem to have been pretty effective at poking holes in the case. The one glaring problem I see is how to explain the fact that Cohen was paid double what he billed to cover the taxes. If it were legitimate legal fees then why pay your lawyer’s taxes?
rfenst Offline
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JGRAZ wrote:
Honestly I think one of the two lawyers in the jury are going to hold out.

It won't be one of them because they will strictly follow the instructions and law exactly and pay sufficient attention. However, I bet one of the lawyers will be the chief juror...
rfenst Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Never seen muddier water than this trial. Trump’s lawyer seem to have been pretty effective at poking holes in the case. The one glaring problem I see is how to explain the fact that Cohen was paid double what he billed to cover the taxes. If it were legitimate legal fees then why pay your lawyer’s taxes?

How do you poke a hole in business records made by Trump?
Abrignac Offline
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rfenst wrote:
How do you poke a hole in business records made by Trump?


The same way Stormy’s holes have been poked; very, very often.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#17 Posted:
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Posts: 55,635
Mr. Jones wrote:
This just O.U.T. TODAY!!!

STORMY SPANKED TRUMP DURING THEIR ADULT ENCOUNTER...

SHE MADE HIS ASS CHERRY RED...

THEN MUSHROOM HEAD DEEEK
YELLED... ... "DMV PROTECTS MEEEEEEEE"
ON THE CIGARBID POLITICAL FORUM...

JUST LIKE AN S.H.P.O....



Gotta pay attention to the other hand pal!

https://revolver.news/2024/05/damning-video-clip-lands-trump-trial-judge-engoron-in-hot-water/

AH-CHAAA-CHA-CHAAAAA!
jeebling Offline
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Dr. Mad, you’re embarrassing yourself. Have you forgotten that it’s ok when the lefties do this? Tsk tsk
DrMaddVibe Offline
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jeebling wrote:
Dr. Mad, you’re embarrassing yourself. Have you forgotten that it’s ok when the lefties do this? Tsk tsk



Speaking of Lefties....ohhh have I good one to share


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-bill-maher-upends-stormy-daniels-testimony-2018-footage
jeebling Offline
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That is a good one. I think Maher is trying to imperceptibly slither out from the steaming pile of swamp mess. I hope it is because he can’t live with his own hypocrisy and going along with the emperor’s new clothes. Maher still suffers from DTS but I think he’s aware that he has lost his moral high ground of stating the truth. He’s said that this year will be his last year doing stand up comedy. He knows he ranks with Jimmy Kimmel and Steven Colbert and it is killing him - in my opinion. I used to enjoy listening to Maher but that ended abruptly when his comedy suddenly departed from the uncomfortable truth and he took his place in line with the rest of the sheep.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I thought it was hilarious when he had Ann Coulter on and she predicted Cheeto Jesus. They laughed.

Then she was on and said “We know the shooter isn’t white” and she was right again and they clutched their pearls and he’d their breath in disbelief she said what she did.

When I was young I think Politically Incorrect was a more thought provoking watch, that had a touch of laughs and a touch of provocative ideas. Not so much these days, and I don’t believe for a minute Bill is red pilling or moderating in any way. The modern left is at least 10 fold as crazy as any right winger.
rfenst Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I thought it was hilarious when he had Ann Coulter on and she predicted Cheeto Jesus. They laughed.

Then she was on and said “We know the shooter isn’t white” and she was right again and they clutched their pearls and he’d their breath in disbelief she said what she did.

When I was young I think Politically Incorrect was a more thought provoking watch, that had a touch of laughs and a touch of provocative ideas. Not so much these days, and I don’t believe for a minute Bill is red pilling or moderating in any way. The modern left is at least 10 fold as crazy as any right winger.

Are you at least 98.2% certain?
Mr. Jones Offline
#23 Posted:
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Ann Coulter is a BORE...
SHE IS THE....
MONOTONE FROWNER WITH A MANS VOICE ...
& a rather prominent adams apple bump...
MaduroJorge Offline
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To all Democrats masturbating over Stormy's testimony, on the count of three.........SWITCH HANDS!!!!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#25 Posted:
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LOLZ!!!!!

Yeah...No double standard with the Law here. This is some serious Banana Republic crap. Wake up America. If they can do it to a billionaire ex-President that is the GOP ticket leader for the 2024 election...they can do it to YOU! And they WILL!

"Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s paralegal testified on Friday that his office deleted from their evidence three pages of phone records between convicted liar Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels’ lawyer Keith Davidson without notifying former President Donald Trump’s legal team, according to reports.

Trump attorney Emil Bove questioned paralegal Jaden Jarmel-Schneider on Friday about three pages of 2018 phone records between Davidson and Cohen that Bragg’s office had deleted, according to CNN. Additional phone records between Daniels manager Gina Rodriguez and then-National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard regarding Daniels’ claim about her alleged affair were also deleted, according to The Epoch Times.

The altered call records were submitted into evidence, but Bragg’s office did not tell Trump’s team that three pages were missing, The Epoch Times reported.

Tampering with evidence is a class E felony in the Empire State under New York Consolidation Laws, Penal Law § 215.40, which states in part:

A person is guilty of tampering with physical evidence when: Believing that certain physical evidence is about to be produced or used in an official proceeding or a prospective official proceeding, and intending to prevent such production or use, he suppresses it by any act of concealment, alteration or destruction, or by employing force, intimidation or deception against any person.

Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., took to X on Friday calling the developments “insanity.”

“How on earth is this not a felony committed by Bragg and his minions? It sure would be if team Trump did it,” Trump Jr. posted to X."

https://thefederalist.com/2024/05/13/paralegal-testimony-alvin-braggs-office-tampered-with-evidence/
ZRX1200 Offline
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WE HATE AUTHORITARIAN FASCISTS!

*but we like doing authoritarian fascist things*
DrMaddVibe Offline
#27 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Are you at least 98.2% certain?



I'm 100% sure!

https://youtu.be/MxpSmUZLmfQ?si=8s0q1EqJiKEQ21Wc

On picking Trump.

https://youtu.be/pogrGKor7a4?si=tCPWW2WOWuqQHOFF

"White shooter"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politically_Incorrect

Now, while I find Maher repugnant one has to remember he's a comedian. He's supposed to make you laugh. Most of the time I find I'm laughing AT him, but on those rare occasions I laugh with him. Those moments he self-describes as being "Libertarian". He's not. Its that the Democrats have moved so far to the left that he can't and won't go there with them. He doesn't get invited to the "cool" parties anymore.

https://deadline.com/2024/03/bill-maher-fires-caa-bryan-lourd-oscar-party-1235860164/

Why? Because he dares use grey matter. He dares to utter the unmentionable. You and I both know where this goes.

So, yeah. I'm 100%. We'll save that 98.2% for something real special!

Mr. Jones Offline
#28 Posted:
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!!!!!! T.R.E.E. PAGES !!!

TREE PAGES!!!

TREE Pages !!!

TEAM TRUMP CRIES OUT LOUD!!

PLEASE DISREGARD THAT...." I FUCKED A PLAYBOY MODEL FOR A YEAR WHILST MY WIFE WAS PREGNANT ...THEN I FUCKED A X RATED PORN STA TOO RIGHT AFTER BARON WAS BORN ..I AM SUCH A DEVOTED CHRISTIAN THAT I SELL BIBLES!!!""

Ohhhh
Myyyyyy
Goddddd!!!

NIXON IS TURNING OVER IN HIS GRAVE ALONG WITH ? THE SECRETARY WITH THE MASSIVE BUMBLING MAN HANDS AND FEETS!!

" THE MISSING 15??? MINUTES "

OMG

BWUHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Mr. Jones Offline
#29 Posted:
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Rose Marie Woods

18.5 minutes of tape missing

Bwuhahahahaha!!!

Tree pages
Tree pages
Tree pages

Hang that stupid law clerck....
His grandma was Rose Marie Woods !!!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#30 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
!!!!!! T.R.E.E. PAGES !!!

TREE PAGES!!!

TREE Pages !!!

TEAM TRUMP CRIES OUT LOUD!!

PLEASE DISREGARD THAT...." I FUCKED A PLAYBOY MODEL FOR A YEAR WHILST MY WIFE WAS PREGNANT ...THEN I FUCKED A X RATED PORN STA TOO RIGHT AFTER BARON WAS BORN ..I AM SUCH A DEVOTED CHRISTIAN THAT I SELL BIBLES!!!""

Ohhhh
Myyyyyy
Goddddd!!!

NIXON IS TURNING OVER IN HIS GRAVE ALONG WITH ? THE SECRETARY WITH THE MASSIVE BUMBLING MAN HANDS AND FEETS!!

" THE MISSING 15??? MINUTES "

OMG

BWUHAHAHAHAHA!!!


We were told that as a nation a President is allowed to have all the sex they want with women and it was okay daily during the Clinton Administration. So, we did. It was really quiet because America towed the line, but now you're offended? Was it her disclaimer she typed up? The fact she lied? She didn't want to suck you off?

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/stormy-daniels-said-2018-letter-denying-she-had-sex-with-trump-is-a-lie/

I mean, if you only had that hut money...she prolly would. Jus sayin'.

Personally, I can see why they wanted to have a NDA. Not illegal, and that she owes Trump some sum over 300K STILL??? I would've given her ALL the rope she wanted too. It's gonna hang nobody BUT her.

PS: Drafter has at least seen her ( . ) ( . )
jeebling Offline
#31 Posted:
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The law that was broken here was when Stormy violated the NDA. This pearl clutching is an exercise of leftist media spin.
Mr. Jones Offline
#32 Posted:
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Trump will never see that
"TREE hundee L.A.R.G.E." FROM STORMY...

JUST LIKE E. CAROL DEPT STORE
CHANGING ROOM SUFFREGETTE WILL NEVER
SEE A PENNY FROM TRUMP...

TRUMP WILL NEVER PAY HER ONE RED CENT...

GULLIANNI ISNT PAYING THOSE TWO FAT dueces ELECTION WORKERS ONE RED CENT EITHER, HE IS NOT DIVESTING ANY ASSETS AS OREDERED BY THE COURTS EITHER..


WHAT REALLY CEASES TO AMAZE ME!!

IS HOW THESE FAMOUS PEOPLE DISOBEY THE LAW AND REFUSE TO
COMPLY WITH COURT ORDERED FINES AND PAYMENTS?

IF EITHER Y.O.U. OR I TRIED TO PULL THIS CRAP?
WE'D BE IN JAIL SO FAST IT WOULD MAKE YOUR HEAD SPIN
and they'd send in the nazi accountants to sieze all our bank accounts and send in the FBI-SSG TO PHYSICALLY EMPTY ANYTHING IN OUR SAFTETY DEPOSIT BOXES...

There are TWO LEVELS OF AMERICAN JUSTICE

ONE FOR THE RICH AND FAMOUS
AND
ONE FOR YOU AND ME THE LOWLY PEONS...

GET TO KNOW IT
DrMaddVibe Offline
#33 Posted:
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How about that rat faced liar Cohen getting neutered on the stand?

Too bad they didn't slap ol Tits McPorno with the same treatment!

Oh to be a fly in the wall in THAT jury room!
Abrignac Offline
#34 Posted:
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jeebling wrote:
The law that was broken here was when Stormy violated the NDA. This pearl clutching is an exercise of leftist media spin.


Not quite. That’s a civil matter. However, extortion is generally against the law in all 50 states. Telling someone to pay or else you’ll say something derogatory is generally considered extortion. She should be on trial IMO.
Abrignac Offline
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The hits keep coming…..

Anderson Cooper admits he would ‘absolutely’ have doubts about Cohen’s testimony if he were on the jury
Cooper called the moment 'devastating' for Cohen's credibility


Gabriel Hays By Gabriel Hays Fox News
Published May 16, 2024 8:00pm EDT

CNN anchor Anderson Cooper admitted on Thursday that he would "absolutely" have doubts about former Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s testimony if he were a member of the jury.

Cooper made the comments while speaking to CNN legal analyst Elie Honig about a notable moment during Cohen’s cross-examination the anchor described as Trump’s lawyer catching Cohen in a lie.

Absolutely. I think it’s devastating for Michael Cohen’s credibility on this one particular topic," Cooper told Honig when asked if he thought Cohen’s testimony about his attempted phone call to Trump was not trustworthy.

Cooper’s admission came as both pundits discussed Trump attorney Todd Blanche’s questioning of Cohen, who alleges that he paid adult film star Stormy Daniels on direct orders from then-2016 presidential candidate to conceal an affair Trump and Daniels had.

During testimony with prosecutors on Tuesday, Cohen stated that he had called Trump’s former bodyguard Keith Schiller on Oct. 24, 2016 to get in touch with Trump about the payment to Daniels.

However, as Trump's legal team questioned Cohen on Thursday, Blanche pulled out records of text messages that Cohen sent to Schiller shortly before phone call. The text messages revealed Cohen asked to talk to Schiller about a 14-year-old prankster that was harassing him.

The records indicated that Schiller told Cohen "Call me," just ahead of the phone call, which Cohen testified earlier was meant for Trump about the payment. When Blanched asked Cohen what the call was about Cohen admitted the call was partly about the 14-year-old harassing him. 

"Part of it was the 14-year-old ... but I know Keith was with Mr. Trump," Cohen testified. 

Trump’s lawyer followed up by accusing Cohen of lying during the exchange, a charge that Cooper seemed to agree with. He also expressed his belief that many other people present in the courtroom saw it that way as well. 

"You could tell the import of the moment and everyone in the courtroom could tell, and if you were unaware of it – the clicking of every reporters’ in the room typewriters – it was like a crescendo because the drama of the moment was so clear to everybody in the room," Cooper said.

"If I was a juror in this case watching that I would think, this guy’s making this up as he’s going along, or he’s making this particular story up," the CNN host added. 

DA’s are required due to a SCOTUS ruling to maintain a Brady list of LEO’s who are deemed to be so unreliable that their very testimony is viewed as prejudicial because they have been proven in court to be untruthful either by lying, omission of critical evidence or of actually manufacturing evidence. The defense has to be notified if a potential witness is on the Brady list. In practice those officers are almost never allowed anywhere near a critical case for fear of the case becoming tainted.

Yet Bragg’s entire case revolves around proving that Trump directed Cohen to take a certain action. Absent any corroborating evidence Cohen’s testimony is circumspect at best and as such the evidence doesn’t seem to come remotely close to crossing the threshold of beyond a reasonable doubt.


DrMaddVibe Offline
#36 Posted:
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Epic beatdown.

https://jonathanturley.org/2024/05/17/getting-played-the-demolition-of-cohen-on-cross-examination-reveals-the-grift-to-a-new-york-jury/#more-219046

https://youtu.be/WVn-JEIrVBE?si=2Gyb5JadvNMvWvVk

Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan


frankj1 Offline
#37 Posted:
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Robert, I can easily see enough doubt in the minds of jurors based on the stuff that people like us discuss here...
but are any of the charges based on if sex happened, or if she extorted him, or any of the other stuff that makes for splashy headlines?

Originally I thought it would be a dryer trial based on corporate money maneuvers...no?
Mr. Jones Offline
#38 Posted:
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Again...

I say...

If you or I pulled this crap we'd be in jail already....

Ex presidents, famous peeps and rich peeps get special treatments.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#39 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Robert, I can easily see enough doubt in the minds of jurors based on the stuff that people like us discuss here...
but are any of the charges based on if sex happened, or if she extorted him, or any of the other stuff that makes for splashy headlines?

Originally I thought it would be a dryer trial based on corporate money maneuvers...no?


Not talking Shame on you Not talking

Nope...all done to sully him before an election and to sideline him from being on the campaign trail with hundreds of thousands of people.

So, the prosecution is charging him with what???????


And the judge (that should've recused himself due to family and personal ties) should dismiss because none of the witnesses have anything to do with anything. My memory is a bit cloudy, can't recall off the cuff...now how did those charges against Harvey Weinstein get dropped again???
DrMaddVibe Offline
#40 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Again...

I say...

If you or I pulled this crap we'd be in jail already....

Ex presidents, famous peeps and rich peeps get special treatments.


Yeah, we remember the whole OJ trial.

Got it.
rfenst Offline
#41 Posted:
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@35

The credibility of Cohen's testimony is within the province of this jury only. It is solely their job to determine the facts and applying the law as instructed. They can give him anywhere from zero to 100% credibility any which way they choose.
rfenst Offline
#42 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Robert, I can easily see enough doubt in the minds of jurors based on the stuff that people like us discuss here...
but are any of the charges based on if sex happened, or if she extorted him, or any of the other stuff that makes for splashy headlines?

Originally I thought it would be a dryer trial based on corporate money maneuvers...no?


She did nothing illegal.

Trump did nothing illegal either- until he wrote reimbursement checks for the payoff allegedly with corporate funds to hide the expense as a legitimate business expenses, when they were not. Then, it is alleged to have been done to influence the election. The prosecution must prove both.

It's a simple document case with Trump on tape agreeing to the payoff plus Weisselberg's handwritten note of the payoff plan from his corporate file. Trump signed the checks, which is undisputed. Hope Hicks testified on its effect on campaign strategy. Part of the defense will be that Cohen went rogue. The jury gets to decide.

Stormy would not have had to be on the stand for more than a few minutes had Trump never denied the affair, which required the prosecution to prove it by getting into gratuitous, salacious details.

My professional GUESS is that one of the lawyers on the jury will be the Foreperson and that there will be a hung-jury.
HockeyDad Offline
#43 Posted:
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The prosecutor should just start calling random people off the streets to testify and drag this out until November.
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted:
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They could give them beers and BigMacs... Beer
rfenst Offline
#45 Posted:
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Have you seen the documentary about the guy who ate only McDonalds for one month and how much weight he gained??
Abrignac Offline
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rfenst wrote:
She did nothing illegal.

Trump did nothing illegal either- until he wrote reimbursement checks for the payoff allegedly with corporate funds to hide the expense as a legitimate business expenses, when they were not. Then, it is alleged to have been done to influence the election. The prosecution must prove both.

It's a simple document case with Trump on tape agreeing to the payoff plus Weisselberg's handwritten note of the payoff plan from his corporate file. Trump signed the checks, which is undisputed. Hope Hicks testified on its effect on campaign strategy. Part of the defense will be that Cohen went rogue. The jury gets to decide.

Stormy would not have had to be on the stand for more than a few minutes had Trump never denied the affair, which required the prosecution to prove it by getting into gratuitous, salacious details.

My professional GUESS is that one of the lawyers on the jury will be the Foreperson and that there will be a hung-jury.


When did extortion become legal? When did perjury become legal? Inquiring minds want to know.

I’ve heard that Cohn taped multiple conversations with Trump. I’ve also heard that Trump paid off Stormy Daniels. But I’ve yet to hear a tape where he said to pay off Stormy Daniels. If so it would be in evidence and it is not. In fact the entire case is built on what Cohen said that Trump supposedly said to him.

In fact if there was a tape where Trump told Cohen to pay her off you can bet the left-wing media would be playing it in endless loops. But this has not happened.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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rfenst wrote:
She did nothing illegal.

Trump did nothing illegal either- until he wrote reimbursement checks for the payoff allegedly with corporate funds to hide the expense as a legitimate business expenses, when they were not. Then, it is alleged to have been done to influence the election. The prosecution must prove both.

It's a simple document case with Trump on tape agreeing to the payoff plus Weisselberg's handwritten note of the payoff plan from his corporate file. Trump signed the checks, which is undisputed. Hope Hicks testified on its effect on campaign strategy. Part of the defense will be that Cohen went rogue. The jury gets to decide.

Stormy would not have had to be on the stand for more than a few minutes had Trump never denied the affair, which required the prosecution to prove it by getting into gratuitous, salacious details.

My professional GUESS is that one of the lawyers on the jury will be the Foreperson and that there will be a hung-jury.



Um...She broke the NDA and was court ordered to pay restitution/legal fees totaling 360K.

Trump never wrote a check.

Cohen did go rogue. He wanted a job in DC that Trump was NEVER going to give a guy like him...EVER.

The whole did he/didn't he game is compounded difficult with a signed affidavit by her that she did not have sex with him. I'm of the mindset that the impropriety of the situation brought up that close to the 2016 election made him want this to go away. Cohen did it his way and, well...he's a bottom feeder.

I would hope that one of the lawyers would be the foreman on this trainwreck of a case. Cat wrangling the hate on top of no proof of charges and a judge that won't dismiss...Ai-yi-yi-yi-yahhhh.
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#48 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
When did extortion become legal? When did perjury become legal? Inquiring minds want to know.

I’ve heard that Cohn taped multiple conversations with Trump. I’ve also heard that Trump paid off Stormy Daniels. But I’ve yet to hear a tape where he said to pay off Stormy Daniels. If so it would be in evidence and it is not. In fact the entire case is built on what Cohen said that Trump supposedly said to him.

In fact if there was a tape where Trump told Cohen to pay her off you can bet the left-wing media would be playing it in endless loops. But this has not happened.

what I asked Robert and what he answered sort of made me think I was reading the trial correctly...and that almost 98.2% of comments and opinions have nothing to do with the charges he is facing...something like 34 individual fiscal maneuvers used to transfer money to Cohen.

no charges about sex, no charges about buying silence. pretty much just the way the reimbursement was aLLeGedly handled through the business.

am I close, Robert.

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#49 Posted:
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NIEN !!!!

NOT CLOSE BOO BOO
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#50 Posted:
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so then, what are the charges?
34 counts of...?
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